Hey, thanks Pam for the info re the hibiscus. I thought they were tropical. I've seen them at the nursery and shook my head. A few people around here have glasshouses, but not that many. I don't mind the hibiscus, so I might have to see if those varieties are available here. Deciduous is good. We need all the help we can get in winter as far as sun goes, so if every tree drops its leaves, all the better! Yes, I'm in Orange.
Jane