Subject: Provided Link to APF Buttercup Recreation
From: byhookorchook
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Date Posted: 21:13:35 11/07/09
Email Address: byhookorchook@yahoo.com.au
Entered From: 124.180.93.247

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www.australianpoultryforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4741&start=10 Just about finished project.

Subject: Introducing a new chook
From: Raquel
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Date Posted: 17:52:52 11/07/09
Email Address: citadel@aapt.net.au
Entered From: 61.68.219.157

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Hi all, Bought a new pullet a couple of days ago to increase my small flock to four. She was chiefly purchased to provide company for a bantam Leghorn who was very much the third wheel. However, and perhaps not suprisingly, she is NOT being accepted at all by the other three, and the lonely bantam seems content to continue her solitary ways anyway. I'd like to hear your opinions on whether I should get a second pullet from the same seller to provide young Rosie with some company and perhaps safety in numbers, or whether it's too late to go down that path. I just have a feeling I am now going to end up with TWO lonely individuals instead of one, which really wasn't the plan! Thoughts, anyone?

Subject: Re:Introducing a new chook
From: Tanya
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Date Posted: 20:50:48 11/07/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 58.163.128.241

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My advice would be to get a second one from the same place and pen the two new girls where they can see the other hens but can't get to eachother for a couple of days if you can. This should give them all a chance to get acquainted and they should all get on well once the new ones are released. They always seem to settle in better if they have company. I hate going new places by myself and I can't see why my chooks should be any different :) Tanya

Subject: Re:Introducing a new chook
From: Raquel
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Date Posted: 10:31:47 11/08/09
Email Address: citadel@aapt.net.au
Entered From: 61.68.219.157

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Thanks Tanya - I know what you mean, I feel so sorry for her. I had Rosie separated for a couple of days and it made no difference. I know it's called a pecking order for a reason, but still!! Hopefully if I get a second one the same age, there'll be safety in numbers. Keep your finges crossed for me that the NEW new one and Rosie don't hate each other!!! Cheers, R

Subject: WARNING: to all chook owners in the Southern Highlands
From: Heijo (heidi)
To: All
Date Posted: 06:17:04 11/05/09
Email Address: jwdick@bigpond.com
Entered From: 121.217.193.221

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I was alerted to this yesterday afternoon. Very distressing for the owner (who is a member of BYP) It should put all of us on our toes as to our security...who we allow into our yards / onto our property the birds were taken in the early hours of the morning while owners were at home....... Sorry if this sounds dramatic,...but trust no one..... these people knew what they were taking as they left behind anything that was mixed breed!!!! Quote: Date 5/11/2009 Southern Highlands, NSW Heading Stolen Chooks Message On the evening of 27th October last I had 31 Pekin bantams stolen. Three hens were taken off nests and the 26 soon to hatch chicks also died. During the thieving process another a young hen also died from having a leg caught and being inverted overnight. Please be more vigilant with security. If they were willing to risk stealing my backyard quality flock then those of you whom have show quality or greater quantities are certainly at risk. We have one hen with two chicks now living in a "mansion"! Good luck to all. From Vivien

Subject: Re:WARNING: to all chook owners in the Southern Highlands
From: chooksrus
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Date Posted: 07:32:37 11/05/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 121.218.83.30

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thanks for heads up. Does she advertise... Does she say which breeds on BYP how does she think they knew what she had.... Does she suspect a certain way it happened??? Julie

Subject: noisy isa browns
From: Paul Bowd
To: All
Date Posted: 11:30:14 11/03/09
Email Address: pjbowd@aapt.net.au
Entered From: 59.101.96.170

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Please help us we have 2 isa browns and the top dog Alpha is often very loud from 5.30am til 7.30am some mornings there is silence some mornings no noise until 10.30am. They are in a tractor which should be big enough for 4 they get regular time to roam free well fed watered etc have had no complaints but the vacant house next door is soon to be occupied with thier bedroom just metres from where the tractor most often is, they also disturb our sleep although we are learning to ignore it. THey are great layers and work well around the garden but we really need to quiet them down or itll be casserole time!!!

Subject: Re:noisy isa browns
From: rod G
To: All
Date Posted: 13:57:05 11/03/09
Email Address: 42wall @ g mail dot com
Entered From: 211.30.255.228

Message:
Hi Paul maybe the nest is occupied and there is a que and they get impatient. if so add a cardboard box an put some shavings and an egg in that, maybe that will help otherwise let her out early and see if that works or when all else lock her in the laundry. cheers and good luck Rod G

Subject: Need loving home for1 Windedot Rooster/3 Silkies
From: Heidi
To: All
Date Posted: 14:15:33 10/26/09
Email Address: gazzaheidi2@westnet.com.au
Entered From: 124.182.61.92

Message:
Hi, we are in desperate need of a loving, safe home for our gorgeous, gentle Winedot Rooster and our 3 beautiful Silkie hens. We live in Margaret River, WA...if anyone is in this area and has a good home for these special guys please contact us ASAP.

Subject: Sebastapol .....very excited cross your fingers.
From: chooksrus
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Date Posted: 19:32:18 10/25/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 58.168.31.131

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We have 5 Sebastapols. # females and 2 ganders. 4 in full curl and one huge good smooth chest gander that Cec denny used to particularly like. Well I am soooo happy - the best goose is sitting on a full nest protected by the good gander.......... fingers crossed! Have successful goslings but not yet with sebastapol due to my shifting them last breeding season to another area of the property. On the Welsh Harlequin front my two best gold WH ducks are sittiing naturally on their island on full nests. They didnt even move when the chipper mulcher came and chooped down a 25 metre high leylandeii right next to the pond. Chookwise all a bit quiet one minorca has two natural chciks but they are half breeds sadly so may give them to the local public school - not such a loss anyway as the mum is a bit short of stature and legs could be a darker shade of grey too. Julie

Subject: Neighbours are nuts! Rooster is going to stay!!!
From: chooksrus
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Date Posted: 19:14:41 10/25/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 58.168.31.131

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Well they outdid themselves this week. They opened all doors and boot of their car as close (as they could get) to my house and blared the radio at full volume all day. Next morning tried it again - police pulled up issued them with a noise abatement order. The nieghbours had six of their ridiculous signs up complaining about my one rooster - but it was great the policeman didnt listen to any of their crap' at all..... Told them remove signs and they were issued with the noise harrassmnet order. Copper was really good actually and tried a bit of proactive problem solving and asked us can we move rooster etc. but was happy when we explained I breed and was within all reguulations and permits. We cooperated and as a gesture we added doors to the coop to muffle the noise a bit. Naturally the neighbours arent happy - as this really isnt about roosters at all. We have had many roosters is the past 11yrs and in same coop too. About to erect a large fence and relocate the driveway so the neighbours wont be at effectively such close range (opening up property at another area of the 2 acres). Have started this already. Spent a lovely day gardening and planning my landscaping Julie

Subject: Re:Neighbours are nuts! Rooster is going to stay!!!
From: Jane S
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Date Posted: 06:33:01 10/27/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 202.3.37.197

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My goodness, they ARE complete nutters!! What a shame you didn't have a video set up, that would've been priceless to get that on film. Clearly they're getting desperate now, it's only a matter of time until they come unstuck totally. They are fools, obviously they forgot to pay the cops off, like they seemed to do with the mayor. Maybe they need reminding of other people that could become involved so they can get to them and pay them off first. Are they still hanging around the school? If so, I'd be photographing that and taking it straight to the police. Or better still, don't approach the school if they're there, just stay around the corner and call the police and tell them there's some perverts outside the school, AGAIN, and could they come and rectify the problem. The law frowns on people sitting outside schools when the people in question don't have kids attending there. It's not just dirty old men that are perverts, it's just as easy for her to get hung for it too. I still think you should call ACA. Even for no other reason than watching them make total fools of themselves on national TV. I can contact them for you if you like, I've done it a few times before. As most know, ACA isn't really about legit current affairs these days, it's more about neighbourhood disputes and where you can get the cheapest shopping bargains. Your story would be right up their alley. Plus you get a bucketload of free advertising. I'm still amazed that all this is still going on simply because you asked them (nicely) to stop interfering with your guests! If they want to be seen to be doing 'something', why don't they help out at the local charity store. Bit more glory in that than interfering with your paying guests. The same paying guests that stay there because they want some peace and quiet. Jane :rolleyes: PS: I'm having a shocking time with my email lately, so if anyone has sent me an email and I've not replied, it's because either 1. I haven't actually received the email yet or 2. I've got it but can't reply to it. Every now and then it kicks back in and might send one or 2 messages in the outbox, but most of the time it just hangs.

Subject: Re: Rooster is going to stay!!!
From: Rod G
To: All
Date Posted: 11:12:35 10/26/09
Email Address: 42wall @g mail . com
Entered From: 211.30.255.228

Message:
Congrats Julie best news in a long while Rod G

Subject: Re:Neighbours are nuts! Rooster is going to stay!!!
From: Rhayden
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Date Posted: 04:09:16 10/26/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 205.188.116.66

Message:
WAAAA HOOO!!!!!! NANER NANER NANER? About time they got it though not a lot still happy they got something out of it. Rhayden

Subject: Re:Neighbours are nuts! Rooster is going to stay!!!
From: chooksrus
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Date Posted: 14:25:41 10/26/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 58.168.31.131

Message:
YEAH DAM RIGHT !!!!

Subject: Chickens and neighbourhood cats
From: Amy
To: All
Date Posted: 16:14:30 10/23/09
Email Address: isthisoneused2@yahoo.com.au
Entered From: 110.32.90.66

Message:
Hi chook lovers, I'm hoping to soon be host to a few backyard hens. I've been doing lots of reading up on what will help to keep them happy and am almost ready to get started. One thing that is still bothering me is the unknown neighbourhood cat that tends to cut through our yard every now and then. I'd like our hens to be able to free range during the day and so would like as much information as I can find on how chickens cope or don't cope with cats - any info or ideas/suggestions on setting up the best way possible. Thanks! Amy

Subject: Re:Chickens and neighbourhood cats
From: Wallace
To: All
Date Posted: 07:34:40 11/01/09
Email Address: 42wall @ g mail . com
Entered From: 211.30.255.228

Message:
Amy now the dust has settled on this thread I will add my two bobs worth. Though Julies cats are very well behaved my neighbourhood cats when let out of their cages come a hunting my chicks. ( it is natural for them just like tigers ) they are not hungry it is for the sport . When I had silkies, a full sized hen probably thought it was an amourous moment and submitted and was carried over the road and into the neighbours front garden. It was returned but died a few days later. I had another neighbour return a chick that was presented on his doormat by his hunter . this season there have been losses overnight but that may have been rodents on a couple of occasions. but in daylight it is felines around here in the suburbs. it is harder to ratproof a run than cat proof a run good chicken keeping, Wallace

Subject: Re:Chickens and neighbourhood cats
From: chooksrus
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Date Posted: 10:02:44 10/25/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 58.168.31.131

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I have 4 cats -2 Burmese sisters I had from kittens and a tonkinese I had from 2 yrs old and an Oriental (siamese)I had since 2/3 yrs old - none bother the chooks not even the ones with chicks. I think it would have to be a pretty vicious cat to go chickens. If it curls up to sleep it sounds like a lover not a fighter. Cats are really quite wonderful creatures.

Subject: Re:Chickens and neighbourhood cats
From: essie
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Date Posted: 21:36:41 10/24/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 124.177.147.236

Message:
Hi Amy No worrys there. I have never had a chick or chicken taken by cats, they seem to have zero interest in the whole chicken thing. You are more likely to lose a chick from a rat than a cat. Do not be worried, I dont know why, but cats just have no interest in stalking poulty. I have never heard anyone say that cats attacked their poultry. Your main concern in suburbia is "terrior type" dogs who love an easaly spooked flighty target. If your yard is sucure you should have no worrys. Do be carefull not to attract rats, they will eat chicks. cheers essie

Subject: Re:Chickens and neighbourhood cats
From: Tanya
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Date Posted: 19:03:29 10/25/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 149.135.105.67

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Essie My neighbour and I have had trouble with another neighbour's cat. It's probably the exception to the rule but it comes prowling around just before locking in time looking for half-grown chicks. My neighbour has lost quite a few birds to this particular cat. I agree though that cats in general pose no threat to chooks. Our cat (admittedly 18 years old) just sits and watches them. The only time he shows any interest in them is if they sneak into the house and start to steal his cat biscuits but even then his only reaction is to complain to me about it! My neighbour also has a cat and it is so chicken-phobic that it won't even eat chicken flavoured cat food! Tanya

Subject: Re:Chickens and neighbourhood cats
From: Tanya
To: All
Date Posted: 18:29:14 10/23/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 58.163.129.25

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Amy Generally speaking a full grown chook is too big for a normal cat to tackle. Particularly if the cat has a home and is well fed. Chicks, on the other hand are sometimes quite tempting to cats and feral cats are quite another question. I would suggest that you get full sized chooks rather than bantams and see if you can keep an eye on them when the cat is likely to be about for the first little while. You will soon know whether the cat has an interest in stalking them or not. If it does then a few well timed flying buckets of water might convince it to take a short-cut that does not involve your yard. Good luck and have fun Tanya

Subject: how about this
From: Rhayden
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Date Posted: 05:43:30 10/24/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 205.188.116.66

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what if you got the aissie chicken the kind Wanye L has they are so dang big and if you have a rooster would he protect his girls?? just a thougt mine are in pen for stray dogs cats and hawks are around here and I want them save and sound. Rhayden

Subject: Angry chickens
From: Allison
To: All
Date Posted: 17:24:30 10/21/09
Email Address: allisonjackson@live.com.au
Entered From: 58.170.228.245

Message:
Hi can anyone help? I have just recently purchased 2 new chickens and my 2 existing Isa browns are being very aggressive toward them, i have had to seperate them as the fighting is terrible. is this normal behaviour and will they get used to each other?

Subject: Re:Angry chickens
From: Catherine
To: All
Date Posted: 21:59:53 10/21/09
Email Address: cathie@dungog.net
Entered From: 115.70.67.78

Message:
It's called a pecking order for obvious reasons. Birds are territorial. Keep the new chooks in a cage where the old ones can see and hear them for 4-5 days, then put them in with the old ones at night time. After hearing and seeing each other for a couple of days, then waking up together, they seem to be less xenophobic Kinda like people.......;Regards Catherine

Subject: Composting the chicken poo.
From: Leesa
To: All
Date Posted: 21:27:15 10/18/09
Email Address: gags@bigpond.net.au
Entered From: 121.219.56.168

Message:
Hi, I'd like know how others are composting their chicken manure so it is suitable for use in the vegie patch. Currently I have one great big pile of "compost", consisting of grass clippings, the newspaper & straw from the chicken pen, chicken poo and last autumns leaf fall. However, I don't want to keep throwing the fresh manure with the old because i have been told chicken manure needs 6 months of composting to be able to use it in the garden. My problem is, between the chicken pen and the vegie patches I have run out of room to put in another "pile" to rotate the manure.

Subject: Re:Composting the chicken poo.
From: chooksrus
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Date Posted: 08:11:05 10/21/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 144.131.69.227

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I make poo tea, and water it onto my plants after 3 weeks of sitting. I use a 40 litre plastic drum with lid.

Subject: Re:Composting the chicken poo.
From: Catherine
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Date Posted: 14:17:21 10/20/09
Email Address: c
Entered From: 115.70.67.78

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I think the composting is necessary for large amounts of manure from chooks on a high protein diet (like the factory hens) I have a couple of cages that fit over my vegie beds,and when I want the beds cleared, I put the cage over the bed, add chooks for 2-3 weeks, then when the bed is clear, I move the chooks to the next one, or let them roam. I then plant the next crop, and put the cage back for a few weeks until the seedlings are big enough to cope on their own. I've never had any problem with plants getting burnt except when one of my roosters and two hens (bantam) decided to sleep in a tree above the agapanthus, and after a solid month of copious droppings every night, one side of the plant was badly burnt. That's what prompted me to fetch out the ladder and get them down and back into a cage, but that was really concentrated and heavy as they sat in exactly the same spot for the whole month. Regards Catherine

Subject: Still for sale and free to good home - East Melbourne - Tell your friends!
From: Kylie A
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Date Posted: 10:32:51 10/15/09
Email Address: kyza_au@optusnet.com.au
Entered From: 211.28.213.139

Message:
Hi everyone, I still have all my chooks, and they really need to find new homes! They're becoming a bigger financial burden on my dad and I. You can make me a deal on all of them, I'm very flexible. I just want them to go to a good home - that's my priority. What I have for sale are: 1 speckled sussex- can't say much for show quality but she is a lovely looking healthy bird, about 1 year old - $15 5 laying hens (2 leghorn X, 2 ISA brown, 1 new hampshire X), just started laying within the last month - $8 each 3 black layers (not sure about their breed but they have wyandotte combs) about 1 year old and good layers - $5 each Free to a good home: 1 Buff wyandotte bantam - she isn't show quality and is a runt. Also, the poor thing has had a lot of trouble with scaley mite and needs to have her legs treated again and her nails clipped (although I will hopefully do this in the next few days) 2 ISA browns. Not sure about age but they have a nice temperament and still lay. 1 Araucana X. Not sure about age but lays white-blue eggs fairly often. If anyone is interested please respond on here or send me an email. I'm in the Knox area, for anyone interested. Kylie xoxo

Subject: Re:Still for sale and free to good home - East Melbourne - Tell your friends!
From: joanne
To: All
Date Posted: 21:50:10 10/22/09
Email Address: sparrow11@mail.com
Entered From: 115.64.97.247

Message:
hi, i live in Melbourne metro area and i'm just wandering if your chooks are still available for sale or good home. can arrange a time to meet please contact me sparrow11@mail.com thanx. joanne.

Subject: Re:Still for sale and free to good home - East Melbourne - Tell your friends!
From: Catherine
To: All
Date Posted: 14:08:02 10/20/09
Email Address: cathie@dungog.net
Entered From: 115.70.67.78

Message:
Hi Kylie, Do you think the girls would be happy to travel interstate? And if so, do you know how it could be done? I'd be happy to have the Araucana (fox took mine) and Wyandotte and Isa browns, And I'm also interested in the Sussex as I've always wanted to get some since we had one as kids. She was a hoot. Every year she'd disappear and Mum would wait 3 weeks before declaring "the fox has got her this time" and sure enough, she'd reappear a few days later with a trail of fluff balls behind her. I've been looking for one like her ever since. I'm actually in the Hunter Valley in NSW though, so it may not be possible to get them here. Needless to say, I don't have much experience at getting chooks from one place to another unless they're in the back of the car. If you know how it can be done and are willing, I'm on acres, so they'll be very happy once they make friends with the bantams I have at the moment. Regards, Catherine

Subject: Re:Still for sale and free to good home - East Melbourne - Tell your friends!
From: joanne
To: All
Date Posted: 21:47:02 10/22/09
Email Address: sparrow11@mail.com
Entered From: 115.64.97.247

Message:
hi, i live in Melbourne metro area and i'm just wandering if your chooks are still available for sale or good home. can arrange a time to meet please contact me sparrow11@mail.com thanx. joanne.

Subject: Re:Still for sale and free to good home - East Melbourne - Tell your friends!
From: ilene
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Date Posted: 11:47:53 10/16/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 124.180.253.28

Message:
Hi Kylie- just to let you know- i still stalk the board- lovely to hear from you- Hope you are ok- x

Subject: Removing rooster spurs
From: Sue
To: All
Date Posted: 10:05:06 10/14/09
Email Address: sattreed@hinet.net.au
Entered From: 125.168.218.1

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Hi all The hens are obviously avoiding the roosters in 2 of my breeding groups, and of course none of the eggs are fertile. The boys have certainly jumped on them earlier, as there are small areas of broken back feathers, but for the last few weeks if they try the girls scream and jump on a perch or something to get away. Someone I know suggested it could be that the roosters' spurs are hurting them - they are both 2 yrs old and have medium length, pointy spurs, which stick straight out from the legs, and I expect would hurt like hell (not long curled ones like I've seen on some older boys). I think he is probably right. Last year I had really good fertility with both roosters, but their spurs would have not been as long. This person said that to remove the spurs I need to grind them with an angle grinder - the heat seals the end of the spur as it is being ground and stops the blood flow, and it doesn't hurt them. Has anyone done this? Or does anyone know a better way to remove the spurs? I'd really appreciate any advice thanks Sue

Subject: Re:Removing rooster spurs
From: Susan
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Date Posted: 13:22:11 10/14/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 110.175.77.170

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Yes an angle grinder works well. Cut through about a third of a way back from the point, or just past the pink quick, if you can see that. Cut slowly so it has time to cauterise. You will need 1 person to hold the rooster and have one spur extended at a time, and a 2nd to use the grinder. If you do this now, you can repeat it in about 3 months and get them back much shorter. There is at least 1 thread on this topic with detailed instructions at Backyard Poultry.

Subject: Re:Removing rooster spurs
From: Susan
To: All
Date Posted: 13:26:41 10/14/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 110.175.77.170

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Here's some more info: "I held them with welders gloves, back upright against my chest, one leg held against the body, one outstretched for cutting. Stephen handled the angle grinder. Once one spur was done, pulled that leg back and extended the other. Little struggling but the grinder noise was horrendous. Improvement would be a quieter operation. We cut back between 1/3 and 1/2 way and I had told Stephen to cut SLOWLY. He said that was IMPORTANT, otherwise he would have cut fast because he thought it would hurt or frighten them and he would have got it over quickly. I told him it wouldn't hurt but slow was needed to cauterise. He says it was better cutting slow because he could smell the burning of the blood so he knew when he was cutting into blood vessel and also that it was actually burning (I have little sense of smell)."

Subject: Re:Removing rooster spurs
From: wallace
To: All
Date Posted: 14:36:05 10/14/09
Email Address: 42 wall @ g mail. com
Entered From: 211.30.255.228

Message:
A bench grinder is quieter. dog nail clippers break straight away ( wasted $10 ) then I bought $50 loppers as sharp as you could imagine but tend to shatter the spur . I was advised to grind them off but only need to knock off the points. he said if it bleeds dab with pepper ?? have not done it yet cheers Wallace.

Subject: Re:Removing rooster spurs
From: Susan
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Date Posted: 16:17:37 10/18/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 110.175.67.184

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Yes I used to use the bench grinder but holding a struggling rooster still while extending one spur and trying to stop him from grinding other bits of his body by accident was no fun. Esp. when I was on my own. The angle grinder is much louder, but much quicker and I feel safer, having another person is necessary but also gives an assurance of someone to call the ambulance if needed!

Subject: Re:Removing rooster spurs
From: Sue
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Date Posted: 19:10:43 10/14/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 125.168.218.1

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Thanks guys, seems that is what has to be done. Think I can hold my boys but finding someone to wield the grinder might be tricky. cheers Sue

Subject: very Sick 4 week old chicken
From: phil
To: All
Date Posted: 20:30:36 10/13/09
Email Address: phillipsakoua@telstra.com
Entered From: 58.173.80.199

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Found one of the baby chooks really sick this morning. Very lethargic and unable to move more than a step. Checked the crop and it had plenty of food. I fed it some more and it hardly showed any interest pecking just a few grains and sitting down whilst the others went into a frenzy. I isolated it and kept it warm. It did a perfectly normal dropping. 12 hours later much weaker. Crop still very full of wheat (or small rocks). These chooks are free ranging and get a handful of wheat at the start and another at the end of each day. I dont know if this one has eaten something poisonos or a spider etc that could do this or is it constipated. Waiting for more droppings, but only been in a box for an hour and nothing so far. It is one of nine. The others are very healthy. I know it unlikely to survive the night so i took a keflex (antibiotic) tablet from my medicine cabinet and diluted it a 1000 times and made a bird strength dropper dose. I based this on the chickens weight of 108.7 grams. I gave it a dose and some water and will follow it up with some glucose water to help get it through the night. Its currently indoors in a heated brooder box. Any ideas or help much appreciated. This bird is not drinking and i gave it 1ml of water with a syringe but i dont know how much to give it in mls and how often. I dont want to over do it and have the bird drown if it regurgitates. Thanks Phil.

Subject: Re:very Sick 4 week old chicken
From: phil
To: All
Date Posted: 21:13:15 10/13/09
Email Address: phillipsakoua@telstra.com
Entered From: 58.173.80.199

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Too late, bird had been sitting in brooder near light very quietly for some 2 hours and then started flapping around on its side and died in my hands. Discharge white from rear and clear from mouth as it died. Was preparing glucose drink when this happened. Any ideas what to look for during autopsy. Thanks phil.

Subject: Re:very Sick 4 week old chicken
From: crazychick
To: All
Date Posted: 09:00:03 10/14/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 75.152.235.207

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It could have been any number of other things, as there weren't many obvious symptoms. It sounds like a fairly acute problem, as the chick obviously had a full crop, and was therefore eating well when it was struck with something (illness or poison). Have a look at the crop contents and see if there was something in there that wasn't supposed to be. Look for bruising or bite marks on the skin, which might appear almost greenish or "teal" coloured on the surface of the skin. You say the droppings were normal and the white discharge may have just been normal urea passing through without fecal matter in it because nothing much was moving through the digestive system. Without more symptoms, it is so hard to tell. Let us know what you find out with the autopsy. Laura

Subject: canabalistic tendencies
From: Elizabeth Clarke
To: All
Date Posted: 17:53:54 10/13/09
Email Address: betsy552@hotmail.com
Entered From: 144.134.93.250

Message:
I have a bantam which is attacking my other girls and is really causing damage.I'm thinking I should cut her beak but not sure how, can anybody offer any suggestions. Thanks a heap, my girls are also pets.

Subject: Re:canabalistic tendencies
From: dizzy
To: All
Date Posted: 00:20:18 10/23/09
Email Address: beasley13@bigpond.com.au
Entered From: 121.219.8.95

Message:
way too many years back when i was doing agriculture at school (1970 something) there was the same problem amongst the chooks there. when i told my dad the problem he said that they needed blood and bone in their diet. we always give our girls some kind of occassional meat, much to our dog's dismay. bbq or raw, they love it. not often, as they are meant to source their own above the grain and scraps that they get.

Subject: Re:canabalistic tendencies
From: Tanya
To: All
Date Posted: 20:51:51 10/13/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 58.163.129.90

Message:
Elizabeth, Cutting a beak is pretty drastic. Have you looked at anything else that might be causing this behaviour? Could she be bored? Is she getting enough protien in her diet? Is she the only bantam among full sized hens? I don't know whether any of these things would be the cause of her behaviour but it would be worth looking into them. Of course she could also be psychotic, scarred by the life she lived before you got her. If this is the case then you might need to isolate her from the others. Good luck Tanya

Subject: silkie rooster with isa-brown hens
From: Mel Collins
To: All
Date Posted: 13:21:04 10/11/09
Email Address: m_jc@live.com.au
Entered From: 124.184.80.152

Message:
i want to have some isa brown for laying,but also want some silkies as pets and possible breeding. if i have a silkie rooster, will he only fertilize silkie hens or the isa's as well? very new to this so all help is appreciated

Subject: Re:silkie rooster with isa-brown hens
From: AlisonM
To: All
Date Posted: 20:58:17 10/11/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 124.182.226.74

Message:
Errrm no. He won't be fussy. The good news is the eggs will be very easy to tell if laid by an isa or a silkie hen so as long as none of the isa eggs are left under one of your broodie silkies you won't get any of the isa/silkie cross chicks. The isa eggs will be big and most likely quite brown and the silkie much smaller and whiter.

Subject: Hello
From: donna
To: All
Date Posted: 20:20:20 10/10/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 220.253.144.70

Message:
Hi Everyone. It's a long time since I last posted here as I seemed to lose the link. I saw a message about Julie's problems on Backyard Poultry and could not believe this was still going on. Although sadly neighbours rarely go away. Anyway, I sent of an email to the council and thought I should find my back here and see what else was happening. It's good to see some old names. Nice to see you about Jayjay. I'll have a bit of a read and catch up on the gos'. Regards D

Subject: Re:Hello
From: chooksrus
To: All
Date Posted: 20:55:29 10/14/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 121.217.131.192

Message:
Yes amazing isnt it I cant believe it is still going on either. The neighbour had a hen in his yard today of mine (this is super out of the ordinary as indeed we no longert free range) and indeed my husband went over and retrieved it after the nasty neighbour picked up a big stick. had to listen to a real earful; about the 'rooster' scratching the garden It was a hen!!!!! No wonder they think I have sooo many roosters. I keep Minorcas in my property which the females are a large upright hen with large comb. My husband said not one single word not one word. Such an insult being ignored don't you think!!!! Rambled on about we have no conscience - My God from the man who rings triple OOO!!!!!!!!! Julie

Subject: Thankyou
From: Jodie
To: All
Date Posted: 08:41:40 10/10/09
Email Address: jjsugars@adam.com.au
Entered From: 219.90.243.163

Message:
To Jane and Rhayden, Thankyou for your kind words! The vet said he had operated on chooks with egg yolk peritonitis and out of 5 only one survived in the long term. He also said that he only sees a couple of cases a year. Which probably means they don't get to the vet in most cases. I just couldn't watch her suffer. The vet didn't charge me for a full consult either which has made it an easier decision for future sick chooks that the vet is the go!!! Even though you don't want to make decisions for your beloved chooks based on financial it can come into it I guess. Particularly if they are getting up there in age. Billy Jo was my "top Dog" so there are some interesting dynamics going on inthe chook house now!!!

Subject: chook - your problems
From: essie
To: All
Date Posted: 20:26:15 10/09/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 144.131.104.169

Message:
Hey chook Forgive me saying so but you are going about this the wrong way. Your neighbours are crazy, dangerous, vexatious and causing you great mental stress. They are being enabled by council, most of these complaints should never have come to your ears, they should have been rejected by council, council are harrassing you because they refuse to label these people as vexatious. Let council know THEY are the cause of your mental stress, your health problems, your fear of what terrible complaint will come next..then tell them you are thinking of taking an action against council for enabling and encouraging these people to keep up their harrasment and defamation of you and your family (and they do encourage them by taking every complaint seriosly), when the evidence shows every complaint has been proved false. Council will have the records of every visit to your property and the outcome. Any Laywer will tell you council need to pull their head in and stop harrassing you in the face of overwhelming evidence that a vexatious complaint is at work. Do not talk to council about the gumboots, to not try to deny any stupid complaints gumboots make, simply tell council you are comming after THEM!!. They will try to bring it back to the dispute between you and your neighbour, dont let them, tell them your not interested in that any more, your interest is in THEM and why they are encouraging these people to keep up a council sanctified harrasment of you and your family. Give it a go. A letter from a laywer to council will cost you a few hundred bucks but watch them run for cover when you are no longer part of a "neigbourhood dispute" but someone who is accussing them of being the "harrassers". I garrantee you a good outcome and when you get it you can thank me by letting me stay a weekend at the homestay! cheers essie PS do NOT let them draw you into converasation about the gumboots let them know you have bigger fish to fry..THEM

Subject: Re:chook - your problems
From: Susan
To: All
Date Posted: 09:25:57 10/10/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 220.244.2.70

Message:
Good point Essie, worth doing as council have already decided they are vexatious litgants (back in Feb?) so why is the Mayor pursuing this line of action now?

Subject: Re:chook - your problems
From: chooksrus
To: All
Date Posted: 22:20:32 10/09/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 138.130.112.83

Message:
Sorry mate well and truly already frying that fish. They are allowing themselves to be used as a vehicle of harrassment etc etc. Already made very clear to Mayor and all in writing. Have asked 10 days ago for all records under FOI but strangely enough not supplied. Have went back and now specifically asked complaint by complaint, who handles, dates, for complaint file note and outcomes on file etc. Will wait to see what they get together for me next phone call. Mistake thay have made is council ruling because of so many complaints well they wont actually be able to say their werent any, and why oh why are my letters of answer in what they gave me..... - answering what?

Subject: Re:chook - your problems
From: GReGGLeS
To: All
Date Posted: 11:01:42 10/10/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 59.167.37.81

Message:
I'm thinking this thread should perhaps not be public any more. I have no doubt the council and probably the gumboots are reading this too and we might be forewarning them about the plans ahead... just a thought.

Subject: Re:chook - your problems
From: chooksrus
To: All
Date Posted: 20:47:37 10/14/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 121.217.131.192

Message:
Dont worry am super careful and only the most obvious is here - the suppost has been great an put people back in their box - let'em know the poultry people will not stand for rot! Julie

Subject: GrEGGles is right....
From: Sybil
To: All
Date Posted: 20:29:05 10/10/09
Email Address: travelin@mira.net
Entered From: 210.23.141.51

Message:
I'm sure those who are interested, or who have ben of help to you will be happy that you email them direct. If they aren't I'm sure they'd tell you. The gumboots don't need any extra ammunition, nor does the Council.

Subject: Re:chook - your problems
From: Rhayden
To: All
Date Posted: 01:58:50 10/10/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 24.74.185.23

Message:
who is the highest person (people to go to?? I would think to work your way from the top to the bottom, if the higher up people know this is going on then the lower side gets in trouble and I would think they would be fired or done something to since it is clearly that they are not doing their job right or you wouod not have this going on for so long. I agree you need to have a fish fry. Rhayden

Subject: Gumboot neighbours put sign in lane.
From: chooksrus
To: All
Date Posted: 10:19:51 10/09/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 138.130.112.83

Message:
Well gumboots have put a sign up in the lane, complaining I have 3 roosters (I have only one!) listing times they crow and a sarcastic comment that I dont love my animals.

Subject: Re:Gumboot neighbours put sign in lane.
From: GReGGLeS
To: All
Date Posted: 18:23:28 10/09/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 59.167.37.81

Message:
Is the sign legal under council by-laws? If not, they are quietly making an [official] name for themselves as mischievous.

Subject: Re:Gumboot neighbours put sign in lane.
From: essie
To: All
Date Posted: 19:39:45 10/09/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 144.131.104.169

Message:
Hey chook Take a look at the Defamation Act 2005. Worth a try but can be an expensive Tort to launch, no reason you cant do it alone without a lawyer, but you will have to research it. cheers essie

Subject: The worst complaint of all.....what depths do people sink to....
From: chooksrus
To: All
Date Posted: 22:44:05 10/05/09
Email Address: morvern@bigpond.com
Entered From: 58.168.41.128

Message:
On Tuesday we lit up a small bonfire after checking dates and location was OK with teh Captain of the RFS. Nasty neighbour called the president of the RFS who told him I was well within my rtights to do a burn as indeed there was still two days to go until the cutoff. Well nasty neighbour rang 000 and had the fire brigade (townies)come down sirens and all. They left knowing there was no problem. Before they reached the station nasty neighbour called wanting to know why we hadnt got into trouble and why we werent made to put it out. H3e then called back again a few minutes later............. We went itno chanber magistrate following morning but we HAVE to do voluntary (huh) mediation before we can get an AVO, otherwise the court most likely wont issue the AVO and make us do mediation. So we have requested it....Groan it won't work it is idiotic the nasty neighbours wife is mentally ill. Anyway it starts the hands of justice working I guess.... Julie

Subject: Re:The worst complaint of all.....what depths do people sink to....
From: GReGGLeS
To: All
Date Posted: 19:10:19 10/06/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 59.167.42.228

Message:
I would have thought that calling the fire brigade would be deemed a public nuisance and thus illegal (and subject to penalties), particularly given the local RFS had already notified them that it was a legal fire. Like they say... give an idiot enough rope and soon enough, they'll hang themselves...

Subject: Re:The worst complaint of all.....what depths do people sink to....
From: chooksrus
To: All
Date Posted: 00:00:52 10/09/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 138.130.112.83

Message:
Yes Im running with this one. Went into Chamber Magristrate and got all fire brigades to cooperate. Emergency services you can nearly get away with vexatiously complaining to as they can just talk perception of danger mumbo jumbo. Have sent all this fire one and the clearing the vegetation complaint to the Mayor and the council to prove within 2/3 weeks more vexatious complaints and that my chookies (god luv them) were never the problem they were presented to be by these nasty gumboots

Subject: Re:The worst complaint of all.....what depths do people sink to....
From: Sybil
To: All
Date Posted: 15:11:32 10/06/09
Email Address: travelin@
Entered From: 210.23.141.51

Message:
Agree with Susan. This mediation shows yet again you are prepared to take steps to do the right thing. It doesn't sound like it will work, but remember, LESS IS MORE. Let her list her complaints/accusation etc and then QUIETY and CALMLY talk about how you have complied with the rules and regulations that exist. Do NOT get personal. Try not to huff and puff, just sit back and let her shoot herself in the foot. Be sure to mention that you were appalled (not disgusted) that essential services had their time wasted mischeiveously when they had already confirmed things were ok with your local CFA. There's also the dripping tap technique: just keep repeating your reasons (local law) , if she tries to twist what you say. Good luck

Subject: PS.
From: Sybil
To: All
Date Posted: 15:14:19 10/06/09
Email Address: travelin@mira.net
Entered From: 210.23.141.51

Message:
It's worth going through all this just to get the AVO...that will label them as nuisances for as long as it lasts, and you will be able to tell anyone that she complains to that you have one. That should get the word around.

Subject: Re:The worst complaint of all.....what depths do people sink to....
From: Susan in central Qld
To: All
Date Posted: 10:31:21 10/06/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 203.8.131.32

Message:
Julie, this is going to be a good thing in the long run. Remember I told you once before if you do mediation and she breaks the agreement, it shows where the fault is? Stay calm, stick to the facts, be reasonable, don't be rude, agree to some compromises, and let it run it's course. By going to mediation she show you are reasonable and conciliatory. (wonder what happens if she refuses?) This will be fine, you will do well and you will be vindicated in the end. Susan

Subject: Re:The final complaint maybe
From: Rod G
To: All
Date Posted: 08:07:13 10/06/09
Email Address: 42 wall @ G mail.com
Entered From: 211.30.255.228

Message:
Julie this official confrontation (mediation) may just wake up the neighbour or her husband and also officialdom she may back down seeind all the negatives of havindg an AVO against them and its a benefit to you to have that to answer any further complaints from any department. Keep it cool and watch them "burn" best of luck Rod G

Subject: Re:The worst complaint of all.....what depths do people sink to....
From: Rhayden
To: All
Date Posted: 03:39:48 10/06/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 64.12.116.66

Message:
OY VEY, Shakes head no Rhayden

Subject: Please help Billy-Jo
From: jodie
To: All
Date Posted: 17:16:37 10/05/09
Email Address: jjsugars@adam.com,.au
Entered From: 219.90.243.163

Message:
Hi!My 20 month old chook is no better, i have wormed and treated her for mites as suggested. She still won't jump up on the perch and she started to walk funny. today she is all fluffed up and dragging her legs. i felt her abdomen and its all hard and distended. I'm not sure when she laid her last egg. and she still has soiled tail feathers. This has been going on for a few weeks now. She still eats well and is drinking her comb looks a bit droopy but its stil red. Its like her abdomen is so heavy she can hardly walk today. Has any one got any ideas. The vets are closed over the long weekend. My other 4 chooks are fine so far.

Subject: Re:Please help Billy-Jo. Hi jane. need your help!!!
From: jodie
To: All
Date Posted: 17:20:34 10/05/09
Email Address: jjsugars@adam.com.au
Entered From: 219.90.243.163

Message:
Hi Jane. I posted a message a week or so ago and you asked if she was waddling like a duck and if her abdomen was swollen. Thats exactly what she looks like today. Do you know what could be happening and is there anything I can do????

Subject: Re:Please help Billy-Jo. Hi jane. need your help!!!
From: Rhayden
To: All
Date Posted: 03:37:43 10/06/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 64.12.116.66

Message:
Did you put your finger in her bum to see if you could feel anything an egg maybe. To my knowledge being egg bound I don't think they can last a week I may be wrong Sorry to here of your chicken Rhayden

Subject: Billy jo
From: jodie
To: All
Date Posted: 14:14:23 10/06/09
Email Address: jjsugars@adam.com.au
Entered From: 219.90.243.163

Message:
Hi! I took Billie to the vet and had her put down this morning. Didn't want her to suffer any more. The vet agreed that billie had egg yolk peritonitis. Thankyou everyone particularly Jane and Rhayden for your help. I would be lost if i didn't have this website to refer to. Even past posts are very helpful to refer to other peoples experiences.I'm of to have a nice boiled egg in tribute to Billie.

Subject: Re:Billy jo
From: Rhayden
To: All
Date Posted: 23:08:54 10/07/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 205.188.116.66

Message:
I am sorry :( I had a hen that had this I did a necropsy to see what this was, She didn't have the enlargemnet of any kind but it felt like she had 2 eggs in her. She was pretty old and her stumbling around I thought was old age but when I picked her up she was really thin I saw her eat and drink and do chicken things but I was perplexed as to why she was so thin. So the stumbling around I thougt was because of weakness so my husband took her life she died quickly and she is burried with my other chickens they have their spot in the yard. Be asured you chicken is now with all the other chickens and having a blast. Rhayden

Subject: Re:Billy jo
From: Jane S
To: All
Date Posted: 07:07:14 10/07/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 202.3.37.23

Message:
Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner Jodie. I'm sorry you lost your hen. It did sound like egg yolk peritonitis. Quite common in Isa Brown's. You did the right thing because you can only really treat the symptoms and even then, you're only prolonging the inevitable. The only cure is desexing, which most people wouldn't do for a hen (which doesn't make them bad people). Even then, the risks of surgery are high, so there's no guarantees anyway. If you hadn't of taken her to the vet, it wouldn't have been a nice end for her. She would've suffocated from the pressure of the fluid on her lungs. Much nicer for all for her to go to the vet. Once again, I'm so sorry you lost her. She's now in the big chicken coop in the sky, running around, giving all our lost girls heaps! Jane :rolleyes:

Subject: seeking speckled sussex fertile eggs please
From: elizabeth
To: All
Date Posted: 12:32:12 10/05/09
Email Address: erbehrendt@bigpond.com.au
Entered From: 124.176.156.170

Message:
Hi All I would like to purchase some Speckled Sussex fertile eggs. All the contacts I found at Backyard Poultry must be out of date. TIA E

Subject: Re:seeking speckled sussex fertile eggs please
From: Wayne L.
To: All
Date Posted: 22:09:59 10/06/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 124.254.68.48

Message:
Hi Elizabeth get in touch with the local Poultry Club and they may be able steer you in the right direction. cheers Wayne L.

Subject: test
From: Jane S
To: All
Date Posted: 04:27:23 10/04/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 202.3.37.117

Message:
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Subject: Re:test
From: Jane S
To: All
Date Posted: 03:28:19 10/04/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 202.3.37.117

Message:
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Subject: loving the pigs
From: essie
To: All
Date Posted: 18:03:19 09/30/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 144.131.21.215

Message:
Hi Guys A dog got into the pig pen late Monday night.We heard them screaming and chased it off. The pigs were in shock but seemed OK. Next morning we could see how badly Mrs Porkinmore had been hurt, she was on the ground and I thought Mr Porkinmore and Barge Arse were eating her!. They were licking her wounds, she was in pain and not happy about it, they put their feet on her to stop her struggling and worked at the wounds. When they were finished they forced her to get to her feet by gently pushing and lifting her. She had a drink and a feed and lay back down, they then pushed hay over her and let her alone for a few hours, then the whole process started again. I have not treated her wounds as they are looking really good from the attentions of Mr Porkinmore and Barge Arse. Pretty amazing animals, probably not something we are suppose to know, else the pig industry wont be able to justify its treatment of these intelligent social animals. As long as we think they are meat on legs and put our efforts to more "intelligent" animals worthy of our attention they will continue to keep these beutiful loving animals in terrible conditions. Dont get me wrong, I would eat anyone of my pigs, but while they are with me they will eat and live like kings and it will be a quick clean death, who can ask for more? (I would be pretty happy if someone offered me that!). Poultry and pigs are denyed the basic charter of animal rights as set out by the RSPCA, the RSPCA admit that this is true but are politicaly bound up, people want reasonably cheap meat and because there are so many of us it cant happen unless these animals are treated badley. I had someone have the gall to tell me that by showing poultry I was exploiting them for my own pleasure!..My response.."go home, eat your supermarket roast, when you have finished look up these 10 web sites..then come back and tell me you did not vomit up your meat.Its a very hard area and we are all hypocrites in the end, when the chooks are not laying I have brought supermarket eggs and by necesity go for the cheapest. Under the glare of the supermarket lighting I have brought pork on speacil, thinking about the nice stir fry it will make, even vegitarians can be hypocrites..where did you get your leather belt?. Whats the feelings of others on this matter?, its not cut and dry, someone can think they are not contributing to animal cruety yet put blood and bone on their veggie patch.I have seen my daughter cry when a lion killed a wilder beast calf on the nature channel (did not like to tell her she was eating her steak dinner at the time!). Difficult to know where you stand isnt it? cheers essie

Subject: Re:loving the pigs
From: Tanya
To: All
Date Posted: 22:24:52 10/01/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 149.135.104.42

Message:
You're right Essie, pigs are very smart. I'm glad you're enjoying them. Once you do go the final distance though and eat one you won't be thinking that the supermarket pork will make a nice stir fry ever again. It doesn't. Supermarket pigs are fed on a diet of grey stuff and the meat tastes grey - you don't notice until you have tasted real pork but once you've had it then it only takes one supermarket pork disappointment to make you realise that there is no comparison between properly raised pigs and that nasty stuff that comes on a styrofoam tray. It's a bit like trying to compare a freshly laid egg from one of your own happy healthy hens with a supermarket egg. I can't do it any more. If my hens aren't laying I do without eggs. I even have two sets of cake recipes - eggless or only one egg ones for winter and really eggy ones for the laying season! Keep thinking about where your food comes from and what has gone into it because whatever it has been eating is going directly into you! Tanya

Subject: Re:loving the pigs
From: Jane S
To: All
Date Posted: 21:05:37 09/30/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 202.3.37.91

Message:
"Pretty amazing animals, probably not something we are suppose to know, else the pig industry wont be able to justify its treatment of these intelligent social animals. As long as we think they are meat on legs and put our efforts to more "intelligent" animals worthy of our attention they will continue to keep these beautiful loving animals in terrible conditions." People's mindset is the same with sheep. Since having a pet sheep, I've gone from thinking they're brainless, to knowing they are very intelligent. Granted, they don't usually get housed in the same disgusting conditions as the pigs and chooks, but they are still classed as meat on legs and that's about it (excluding wool sheep). My sheep understands multiple words and hand signals (I have video evidence), he does quite a few tricks, which he learned much faster than a dog. I can't get him to sit though!! He's house trained. It's like having a kid in the house, there's certain words that we can't say, because he knows what we're saying. Biscuits are known as 'B C items'. B C is short for Blue Container, because they're in a blue ice cream container. That name will have to change soon because he learns what our new name for them is. That's why blue container got changed to B C. They have amazing memories and don't forget a face. We got the sheeps nuts and tail banded in Nov 07. The friend that did it didn't see him until a few months ago (probably in June?) and the sheep wouldn't have anything to do with him. Anyone can do anything with this sheep (except pick his feet up), yet he runs from this bloke. It was well over a year and we all believe it was because he remembered what mate did to him. When it's feed time, we ask if he wants dinner and he'll come from wherever he is and touch our leg with the top of his head. A different friend fed him one weekend, mid '08 and when he was here a few weeks ago, he asked the sheep if he wanted dinner and the sheep went and touched his leg with his head. Anyone else asks him if he wants dinner, he just goes and stands where his food is kept. I agree that we can all be hypocrites. I know how badly chooks and pigs get treated, yet I still buy meat. It used to play with my head sometimes, so I told myself that what's on that tray was never an animal. It was manufactured in the supermarket on the trays. I don't eat a lot of meat, maybe once a week, if that, but i still eat it. I think it's great that you give your pigs a great life before the end. There was a doco on either ABC or SBS last year about a bloke that has got a small self sufficient farm and he takes in people, like junk food junkies and shows them where food comes from and to show them how much better home grown food is. Each week an animal was humanely slaughtered and then processed, and then prepared and cooked by the visitors. He got someone in to do the killing, because he wasn't confident enough to do it himself. All his animals were raised with love, sunshine, good food, wide open spaces. The visitors had to spend time with all the animals, to get to know them, to show them that they did have unique personalities. I wish I could remember what it was called. It really made me appreciate that some animals are here to serve a purpose, to feed us, but at the same time, it showed they were worthy of a good life while they were alive. I already knew that, but I don't think a lot of the public appreciate what goes on in the intensive farming industry. Good on you for giving your pigs a purpose and a bloody good life until they serve that purpose! Pigs rock! Sorry for such a long message, I got a bit carried away. Jane :rolleyes:

Subject: Re:loving the pigs
From: Rhayden
To: All
Date Posted: 10:23:57 10/01/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 205.188.116.66

Message:
WAY COOL I didn't know this about pigs. SO COOL. I know what you mean about people. I was on a message board able pet rabbits and I was trying to talk to these people I told them of my bunny Huasenpfeffuer and how she got hurt and has brain damage and they said about I should look into getting a bunny from a rescue I told the I don't think a rescue would give me one because I consume my bunnies we breed them to eat them. MY GOODNESS you would think I did something just awful and I was such a band person I left this site but a reckon 6 months later I tried again no one was on it and I started to talk about a Flemish Giant and it was gray and what I feed it and my name Rhayden at the end well I was wrong they recognized my name I tried to say lets get past this and talk of you rabbits and I tried to talk of what they feed them or if they can do tricks if they are inside or outside and tried to be good but THEY WOULD HERE OF IT. So I went on PETA site if you know who they are anyhow I told them about the neat that is on their plates and how awful the animals are treated and if they are brave enough to watch the videos and (I warned how graphic they are to) see if they can stomach that even if you are a veggie and you eat cheese which many do they still are not clean of what supply and demand does. I told them the animals don't run around happy and free and they are not treated nicely and pimped full of thinks to make them grow. My bunnies are killed swiftly and I hold all my bunnies and they are in my arms as their last breath is and the last time their heart beats I am there making sure they are gone. But the animals in the meat industry is not so lucky. I don't know what is wrong with some people ignorance? bull headed? I don't know I never knew how animals were treated and I didn't give thought of it at all I never gave thought as to how their treatment was till I was on this PETA SITE it is a eye opener. I am told it was not in the us the film was but you can help to wonder how the USA treats animal to probably not to far off. They never looked at the link I am sure and it was taken down. I know but you see there are very ignorant people and they are uneducated as to things you have to educate them and not be aggro because I really don't think most mean things they just don't know. Rhayden

Subject: Re:loving the pigs
From: Jane S
To: All
Date Posted: 12:03:09 10/02/09
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Entered From: 202.3.37.68

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Hi Rhayden!! It's great that you try to educate people about where meat comes from and what some of the animals have to endure, BUT, stay away from that PETA lot. They are trouble with a capital T. They are very one sided and won't listen to anyone. Yes, I will agree that they do do some good things (like midnight raids on battery farms), but for the most part, they are bad. They don't agree with meat consumption at all, regardless of how the animal was raised. Eggs should never be consumed, even from free range hens, because it means the hens are in captivity (even as free range, there are fences). No animal should ever be held in captivity, so that means no pets at all. No dogs, no cats, no fish, no birds, no nothing. You can't even put seed out for the local birdlife (not that you should anyway, but a lot of people like to do that instead of having an aviary). They would have me named and shamed if they knew about my pet sheep that lives inside. To them, that is the ultimate cruelty, having a farm animal as a pet. I can say without a doubt if I put my little sheep in a paddock and left him here, he wouldn't last 5 minutes. He's terrified of sheep, and I mean TERRIFIED, to the point where he was laying on the ground with his legs out, shaking, because he was penned with some ewes for 10 minutes before he got shorn last year. Most foreigners can't understand it, but kangaroos here in most areas, are a pest. They are in plague proportions in some areas, because when it comes to breeding, they are pretty much drought proofed (they can put a pregnancy on hold if the conditions are bad and then restart it again when things improve). Last year, some kangaroos had taken up residence in a bad area, so to cut a long story short, it was decided they would be killed as opposed to captured and moved. In rocks PETA, chest puffed out, ready to do their stuff. They had all the protests under the sun to save these animals and tried different ways to get them out. In the end, they did get in and they released some. What they didn't realise was, they released the wrong ones. The ones they released had been captured and tested/tagged for something to do with breeding and were to be released. They'd been sedated and PETA let them out while still having the full effects of the sedation. Very few of those animals would've survived because if they didn't get taken by another animal, they would've ended up confused and on the road. Something that a lot of people don't realise about PETA is, 95% of the animals they 'rescue' are destroyed. Why? Because animals shouldn't be kept in captivity. ALL animals should be allowed to roam free with not a care in the world. As most of the animals that they 'rescue' can't be released, they kill them. Regarding the videos on their site, I don't recommend anyone looking at those. I was stupid enough to look at some and have regretted it ever since. That was 10 years ago and it still plays on my mind sometimes. Some of the videos and photos on their site were created by themselves to prove their point. They made photos of posed dead chooks with KFC boxes, trying to say KFC treated their chickens badly before they killed them. KFC don't raise their own birds, they buy already processed birds, so they don't have a say in how they're raised. When I see PETA picketing abattoirs and intensive farming farms, then I might have more time for them, but as it stands, they only like to save cute and cuddly. Cows, sheep and pigs don't fall into that category it seems because whenever I ask any animal lib people about the above, they change the subject pretty quickly. I think when the organisation started, it had really good intentions and ideas, but then a few crackpots got involved and they went off the rails. It's a shame, because the animals need all the voices they can get. Sorry for the rant! Jane :rolleyes:

Subject: Re:loving the pigs
From: Rhayden
To: All
Date Posted: 10:12:33 10/03/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 205.188.116.66

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a... well... a... Scratches head yeah I know they think all domestic animal should be distroyed and we all should be veggies (vegetarians) but I also knew PETA is not a good thing to but I felt these people I tried to talk to and I really wanted to only hold conversations with them as to what they had and what they feed their rabbits and think we could talk of it but knowing I kill my bunnies well I was a awful nasty dispicanble person and I think they thought I should burn in Hades. So I thought to show them some things and tell them that the meat on their table was from happy carefree beast and the awful conditions of how that are kept and how my bunnies are taking care of and they thought keeping Huasenpfeffuer was a crime I wanted to give her a chance to heal if she was able to. Poeple can heal some enough to have a decent life and I wanted her to have this chance sadly she didn't recover far enough and it was a year we had her I took her out and she was better but she fell over and did a tumble sault and i felt it was not fair I look at her brain and there was much white and this I feel was damaged brain tissue so the kind thing was to release her from her life but these people they da*med me and was so rude. I tld of populate of other animals and to kill them is the only way but I reckon this is something people want to accept. The didn't care I was with all my animals when their last breath was took and their heart was not to beat once more and they hear me as they leave this I wonder of their pets if they do as much for them as I do for mine. I used PETA's sire only for demistration and knowing it was very graphic they could see hoe animsl are treated very bad and what I was doing was much better. It was a no win situation and I no long try to talk to anyone of the message boards knowing they are not going to like what I do and they think all animals are happy. Jane S. Good rant I learn much. Thanks. Rhayden

Subject: Re:loving the pigs
From: Jane S
To: All
Date Posted: 11:53:23 10/03/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 202.3.37.117

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There are literally thousands of message boards out there, maybe you could look for one where people have 'dual purpose' animals? By dual purpose I mean that they have some as pets and some are raised for food. People that raise their bunnies for meat might have a better idea what to feed them for the table, than the ones that just keep them as pets. The sheep message board that I belong to, some have sheep as pets, some breed for wool, some breed for the show ring, some breed for the meat market, some breed for their own freezer. Everyone has their own reasons for owning their sheep. The one thing that everyone has in common is, regardless of the purpose of the sheep, everyone loves their animals and gives them the very best of care. Just like you with your bunnies. Just because you eat the animals you raise, doesn't mean you don't love them, respect them and care for them. I can't raise my own meat, but I have the utmost respect for anyone who can. The only way I could do it would be to have a large property, not form any attachment to the animals, the one for my freezer disappears when I'm at work one day and comes back in plastic bags. If someone said they were doing a few lambs this weekend and asked if I wanted one, of course I'd say yes, but if they told me to go into the paddock and pick one, not a chance in the world! I used to have no problems, but the older I get, the softer I get. I wish I could raise my own meat, then I'd know it had a good life until the end. But I can't. It doesn't make me a bad person, but it does make me feel guilty for supporting animal cruelty. Just as an aside, while we're on the subject, I wondered how you knew you were getting the animal back that you sent away, if you send them away for processing. Apparently there are laws about that kind of thing, with very stiff penalties, and the animal is marked as being a privately owned animal, so it's kept separate from the other ones. Just in case anyone was wondering..... Jane :rolleyes:

Subject: free range meat
From: Tanya
To: All
Date Posted: 14:57:41 10/03/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 149.135.104.144

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Jane If you want a reasonable chance at eating meat that has had a good life but you can't raise it yourself then lamb is probably your best bet. Mostly it isn't cost effective to raise lambs in feedlots, they do better out in a paddock eating grass. (Funny isn't it?) The stuff to stay away from is anything that is promoted as being 'grain fed' (apart from chicken) as that translates as 'feedlot raised'. If you have a good butcher then he should be able to tell you if the animal was grass-fed or not. If he can't then it is probably worth going all the way up to the other end of town to the other butcher. Supermarket meat is mostly raised in feedlots so that the diet can be controlled in the name of 'consistent quality', When supermarkets contract farmers to raise animals for them they specify the diet that the animals should be fed - that doesn't sound like free range to me. OK that's enough ranting from me on the subject now. Tanya

Subject: Re:free range meat
From: Rhayden
To: All
Date Posted: 06:29:23 10/04/09
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Entered From: 64.12.116.66

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I thought free range meant as stated they are on a peice of land and they run around on it and they have grass and what ever feed the farmer uses. I don't know much about beef and how it is raise and what they need to be healthy. Surely they can't eat just grass. Terry has a cousin that has horse they are pets and they are out in the field to eat grass mostly but they are given sweet feed not much though I said about how little they are feed and they sais they don't need much since they are eating grass all the time and yes they had hay to eat to. Rhayden

Subject: Re:free range meat
From: Tanya
To: All
Date Posted: 23:09:31 10/04/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 149.135.105.3

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Yes, that is what free range means. Feedlot is where the animals are kept in a yard and fed grains and supplements to make them grow and fatten more quickly. This is a higher protien diet than grass so animals can be brought to slaughter weight much faster than if they just eat grass and hay. Also it needs lots less land to raise animals this way. A lot of the soybean crops that are grown in the USA go to make stock feed to raise animals in feedlots. I think that where big business is concerned growing animals fast is more important than growing them healthy. Crazy isn't it? Tanya

Subject: Re:free range meat
From: Rhayden
To: All
Date Posted: 05:44:11 10/05/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 64.12.116.66

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RESOUNDING YES Rhayden

Subject: Re:Hey Jane
From: essie
To: All
Date Posted: 17:44:24 10/02/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 124.179.108.246

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Hi Jane The peta guys are very extream which is a shame. Good work could be done but these guys come off as crack pots and scare away less extream people.The public need to be made more aware of where their food is comming from and the toll of suffering its production takes. Then they can make informed decisions about what to buy and lobby for change if they cannot get cruelty free meat. I think it is beutiful the way Rhayden talked about holding the animals during the killing, it shows respect for the animal, a caring nature and a realistic attitude (they will taste good) cheers essie

Subject: essie
From: Rhayden
To: All
Date Posted: 10:22:10 10/03/09
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I own it to them I raised them took care of them when they were hurt or when the time came. I was the one with them when things were back and they were sick or hurt I did what I could and when it was time to kill them or put them to sleep it was MY DUTY to see them off and the make sure they knew I was there. I had a cat put down by a vet and a dog 9 days later each heard me tell them not to worry all is well and they were the lucky ones as I have to stay here. Both stopped eating and was very thin so as soon as they stopped eating it was time. my son was with me and I told him this is the bad part of ownership is when it is time you need to take them to the vet it is hard to I don't want to but you can't let them suffer it is not fair. Oh and rabbits we have had I have had a few I cried over to it is not like they are just food I get favorites to. I can't help it. I don't think any less of anyone that can't do as I do. I am strong enough to and I am not saying you are weak it is for the person to decide and no one else can tell you how to handle how you are to do things. Rhayden

Subject: when can you call a line your own?
From: essie
To: All
Date Posted: 18:08:44 09/28/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 124.184.20.80

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Hi guys I have been breeding the light sussex for 8 years now. I tend to line breed but have naturally brought in some outside blood during that time. I have breed for size and type but tried to aviod the coarsness that comes with size. I have sold birds locally over the years and find that I can pick my birds when I see them at a show or on someones propery, it might sound strange but I just know that they are from mine, and when I ask I find out it is true!. They dont look too different from other sussex but I can see that they are from my birds. When do you gain the right to call something your own line?. I started out with one busted arse pullet and a 2 year old blind hen, a cockeral that they were going to eat if we did not pick it up ASAP. Can I say its my line? what does it mean to have your own line? Thanks cheers essie

Subject: Re:when can you call a line your own?
From: keith
To: All
Date Posted: 13:16:08 09/29/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 124.183.95.138

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Basically as soon as you cross lines and then start breeding and showing from the progeny it in fact becomes "your" line Cheers...Keith

Subject: Re:when can you call a line your own?
From: Wayne L
To: All
Date Posted: 21:00:14 09/28/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 124.254.68.106

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Hi Essie to me that would be your line now the way you have improved them. I've been breeding aussie Game for 7yrs nowand the type that we have got into them now as far as we are concerned they are our line. Wayne L.

Subject: Re:when can you call a line your own?
From: Jane S
To: All
Date Posted: 04:13:37 09/29/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 202.3.37.83

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Wayne, if your line wasn't your line yet, then you wouldn't be kicking butt at the shows all the time. Whoevers line it is would be up there with you. I'm far from being any expert, but I reckon you both own the rights. If you're funny about taking full credit (why should you though? You did all the work), you could always say 'descended from such and such's line'. Although, in the case of Essie's birds, they were descended from the dinner table! Jane :rolleyes:

Subject: Re:when can you call a line your own?
From: Susan
To: All
Date Posted: 07:50:40 09/29/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 220.245.205.229

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Yes I would say since you've done all the work, they're yours. If they all recently descended from one good established line, you should use that name, but if they're from mixed parent lines and have been in your hands for a while, they're yours.

Subject: Noise measurement devices - talk to me, have your crowing roos ever been measured?
From: chooksrus
To: All
Date Posted: 21:21:04 09/27/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 60.229.96.204

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Thinking about a decibel device. Have you ever been measured.What does it do any ifo would be good. how loud can a roo be in rural residential with roosters being permitted. (Not actually banned in my area just advised against).

Subject: Re:Noise measurement devices - talk to me, have your crowing roos ever been measured?
From: essie
To: All
Date Posted: 17:19:24 09/28/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 124.184.20.80

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Hi Chook I use to do noise surveys when I worked for National Safety Council. Noise measurment is a complicated area, to buy or hire the equipment would be very expensive and it takes a specilist to interpret the results.Its not like checking the PH of your soil lots of factors come into play before you get a true reading.Frequency (not how ofen, but a wave height in measurment) and pitch of the sound play a big role, something could have a low dB reading yet be at a pitch and frequency that drives you insane (a baby crying, mother nature puts it at a pitch and frequency that cannot be ignored, yet the dB output is quite moderate).If you got hold of a noise meter the types of results you will get is that your roo puts out about 60-70 dB up close and personal, if you walked a few hundred meters away your probably looking at about 45-50 dB (the approx noise level of normal conversation).If you were a neigbour on the next block it would drop to about 40 dB (the sound of light rain falling). Its not about dB its about frequency and pitch, people dont complaint about the loudness of roosters, just how bloody annoying the noise is.It would be to your advantage if someone measured just the dB output of your rooster from your neigbours bedroom, it would be ridiculosly low and you would fall well well below the 50 dB mark, but make sure its an idiot from council waving the meter about (a spealist will take the other factors into account)I wish you the very best of luck and it could be a good thing to challange council to bring a noise meter out. cheers essie

Subject: Re:Noise measurement devices - talk to me, have your crowing roos ever been measured?
From: Susan in Qld
To: All
Date Posted: 19:10:51 09/28/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 220.245.205.229

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Essie, that's very interesting (and in answer to your Q from the earlier thread, I have a paralegal background but not a legal one - still it can be useful). Julie, I looked into this about 3 years ago and from memory (in Qld anyway), the council defers to the EP Act and the EP Regulation refers only to dB. You need to find out (a) if noise the only issue and (b) what standard they use to define "noise" and (c) what the Environmental Protection Act (or whatever) says about noise. And how it's to be measured. Now here, 6 minutes of noise per hour above the level (50dB) between 7am and 7pm is the threshold and 3 minutes between 7pm and 7am (I think). Also with many councils now they get you to keep a detailed diary of the noise - what time, how long for, what effect it had on you - and that becomes the basis of the complaint. *I know* people don't report dogs barking because the diary is too onerous (I have had people telling me about their neighbours dog barking etc.) So as Essie says, it might be in your favour to challenge council to take a reading. And if the legislation only refers to dBs then that's all that matters, legally speaking. (Not wanting to be callous about a genuine gripe but the nutty neighbour is just using the roos as the excuse.)

Subject: Re:Noise measurement devices - talk to me, have your crowing roos ever been measured?
From: Susan in central Qld
To: All
Date Posted: 11:24:19 09/28/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 203.8.131.32

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I recall some discussions about this in the past on BYP. I don't know anything about it but have often thought myself that I should try to find out and measure my roos. I hope others will reply with some info.

Subject: Re:Noise measurement devices - talk to me, have your crowing roos ever been measured?
From: sybil
To: All
Date Posted: 12:41:51 09/28/09
Email Address: travelin@mira.net
Entered From: 210.23.141.51

Message:
I think you will find rooster crowing quite high on the decibel chart... I googled " measuring decibels rooster crows " and found quite a bit of stuff - I think most to your detriment. One said somewhere between freeway noise and a diesel train...though of course there are so many factors to take into account. I think you should go the TV way now before they do: neighbour sitting in the council in pajamas is sure to draw them in. Of course they will interview the neighbour and probably the Mayor and cut everyones statements to make a good story. What a nightmare for you... good luck

Subject: Touch Football
From: Wayne L.
To: All
Date Posted: 21:48:31 09/26/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 124.254.68.171

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Hi All a couple of months ago one of our granddaughters was picked in an U18 touch football team well last week they went to Port Macquarie for the Australian Titles which they won undefeated scoring 103 trys for to 23 against. Our granddaughter is 15years old so we are chuffed.Wayne L.

Subject: Re:Touch Football
From: Jane S
To: All
Date Posted: 14:31:34 09/27/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 202.3.37.183

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Well done!! You must be pretty darn proud! One of my work colleagues became a world champion triathlete for her age group (40-44) about 2 weekends ago (in Qld). We were pretty chuffed about that, but to have a family member do so well, I can't imagine! Jane :rolleyes:

Subject: Re:Touch Football
From: chooksrus
To: All
Date Posted: 21:22:58 09/27/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 60.229.96.204

Message:
Absolutely thats great-well done! My six yr old plays cricket in the Summer and soccer in the Winter fabulous to make them well rounded, teamwork etc.

Subject: yet another complaint by the neighbor found to be false.......
From: chooksrus
To: All
Date Posted: 09:24:27 09/25/09
Email Address: morvern@bigpond.com
Entered From: 124.176.103.71

Message:
Yesterday I had the Department of environment, climate change and water come and look at my property investigating a report that i have been illegally clearing vegetation. Verdict - unfounded complaint.......... The botanist with tham was fabulous and told me the names of the various eucalypts so that was really interesting. BTW nasty neighbour was parked in her car in the lane for a box seat watching us whilst with the authority Julie

Subject: Re:yet another complaint by the neighbor found to be false.......
From: essie
To: All
Date Posted: 18:03:25 09/26/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 58.165.168.166

Message:
Hi Julie Always look on the bright side. How much you would have to pay to get a botanist to name the plants growing on your property?. You got qualified information for free! Thank your neigbour, and ask her to make her next lie one that requires a vet to come to your property so you can pick their brain for hours!.I know its hard but if you turn your thinking around this neigbour could be a source of amusment to you, and nothing diffuses someone so quickly than if they know you consider them a joke cheers essie

Subject: Re:yet another complaint by the neighbor found to be false.......
From: GReGGLeS
To: All
Date Posted: 12:27:30 09/26/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 59.167.55.195

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Both ACA and Today Tonight recently did stories on crazy neighbours. Might be time to go public.

Subject: Re:yet another complaint by the neighbor found to be false.......
From: Jane S
To: All
Date Posted: 13:38:38 09/26/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 202.3.37.183

Message:
I've been saying for awhile that she should involve the media, but I just had another good reason why it would be good to involve them. FREE PUBLICITY for the business! People would go there just to see the kooky neighbours. They could become a tourist attraction! You wouldn't get much better advertising than on prime time TV! Just the mere mention of the business and some nice shots of the area and they'd be flocking in. I reckon you'd need to add more cottages! Make sure if you do involve them that you use ACA, most regional areas don't get TT and I'd be mortified if I didn't get to see it!!! Saw Bundanoon on the news last night. I hope the rest of the country follows as far as getting rid of plastic bottles. Brilliant idea installing the filtered water fountains. Great that the businesses are getting behind it too and having water storage devices in their shops. Jane :rolleyes:

Subject: Re:yet another complaint by the neighbor found to be false.......
From: Susan in central Qld
To: All
Date Posted: 12:22:29 09/25/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 203.8.131.32

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ask them for a letter and add it to your file so you have documentary evidence have you heard from council again?

Subject: Re:yet another complaint by the neighbor found to be false.......
From: chookrus
To: All
Date Posted: 17:40:24 09/25/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 124.176.103.71

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no not yet........... I recieved a vague letter saying my letter had been recieved and had been passed on to the minute taker Pam Bowes? Wonder what that means???? julie

Subject: Re:yet another complaint by the neighbor found to be false.......
From: BC
To: All
Date Posted: 18:52:32 09/25/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 144.138.188.185

Message:
G'day . Just a quick note . Hit them where it hurts The council dont like to lose money so how much have your rates gone up ?. How much have your torusts brought into the area? etc. they could be out to get rid of thses people for they are growing in the bush and dont want a stray finding a stash. Brett

Subject: egg freshness
From: DIZZY
To: All
Date Posted: 14:55:07 09/24/09
Email Address: beasley@primusonline.com.au
Entered From: 124.185.95.42

Message:
how long do eggs keep in terms of still being able to give away as 'fresh'?

Subject: Re:egg freshness
From: Jane S
To: All
Date Posted: 22:28:07 09/24/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 202.3.37.183

Message:
It would depend on a number of factors, how quickly they go into the fridge after being laid, if they're fertile or not, if they're dirty, to name a few. I've had eggs still fresh after 5 months in the fridge (using the water test method). You certainly get way more time than what the use by is on shop bought eggs. The quickest and easiest way to test for freshness is to drop them gently into a glass of water and see what they do. If it sinks and lays down, it's fresh. If it sinks and stands on its end, it's still OK to eat, but is close to going off (great stage for boiled eggs if you plan on peeling them). If it floats, remove it gently from the water, place gently in a plastic bag, seal bag, place gently into another plastic bag, seal it and place very gently into the bin. Those ones are off and should no be used or cracked open, EVER. Unless you really hate someone! Jane :rolleyes:

Subject: Re:egg freshness
From: dizzy
To: All
Date Posted: 01:25:51 09/25/09
Email Address: beasley13@bigpond
Entered From: 124.176.98.176

Message:
thanks jane. currently my hate list is short so i don't need to wait for the eggs that are on the army desposal list. i do know the water/float method, but as i am giving my girl's eggs away i was just erring cos of shop use by dates. my girl's eggs are, much to their dismay, not fertilised and i do not refrigerate them. each egg is dated as collected. i only have 4 girls and we are only 2 people, that means the rest are given away. that sometimes means a delay in accumulating time. so a week would be fine?

Subject: Re:egg freshness
From: Jane S
To: All
Date Posted: 12:45:36 09/26/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 202.3.37.183

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As long as it's not too hot where you keep them, then yes, a week would be fine. If you put them in the fridge, you could keep them for months. If you've got them in say a basket on your bench because they look nice (and they do look nice like that!), keep some in the basket and some in the fridge. I find if I get too many eggs and no-one wants them (I've got bantams and people want big eggs, even for free, so I can't always get rid of them), I either have scrambled eggs, omelettes or bake heaps of cakes and freeze them. I've got a heap of cake recipes that require 3+ eggs (for that reason). Jane :rolleyes:

Subject: Re:egg freshness
From: essie
To: All
Date Posted: 18:33:32 09/26/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 58.165.168.166

Message:
Hi Dizzy Sounds like you are worried about making someone sick or giving them bad eggs. Eggs will keep for months, but have to be stored right, being in the fridge is not that important, but being at a consant temperature is! so in the Autralian climate the only way to keep consent temperature is in the fridge. You can feel very safe to say they are fresh a month after they are layed (normally much longer)if you keep one month in your head you will never give anyone a "bad" egg. Share your eggs with confidence!. If you are interested in testing freshness yourself then take one of your fresh eggs and a supermaket egg, break them both into a hot pan, the supermarket egg will run lots further, your egg will keep a tight shape..why? your egg is fresh and full of air the supermarket egg is stale and all the air has leaked out of the shell, try it it is true cheers essie

Subject: Re:egg freshness
From: dizzy
To: All
Date Posted: 18:53:29 09/27/09
Email Address: beasley@bigpond.com.au
Entered From: 121.223.7.171

Message:
thanks essie and jane. i have started giving eggs away as they come. not collecting til the dozen. recipiants don't mind fresh, free, odd numbered eggs. i also date each egg so they can eat them in order of laidness. i've even taken to giving them away in strawberry or cherry tomato punnets as i no longer have egg cartons gets the job done.

Subject: Re:egg freshness
From: Jane S
To: All
Date Posted: 22:08:00 09/27/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 202.3.37.66

Message:
Ask around and see if anyone has any spare cartons. You could cut them in half to make them six packs. Then you could make a rule with your friends that if they want eggs they have to return the carton for refill. I find I get cartons back that way. Jane :rolleyes:

Subject: letter to Julie's council about harassment
From: Susan
To: All
Date Posted: 07:53:59 09/23/09
Email Address: creekholme@hotmail,com
Entered From: 220.244.21.197

Message:
As primised, here is the guts of my letter to the councillors of Wingecaribee Shire, and Federal member Pru Goward. "Never before have I heard of an elected representative browbeating a ratepayer into forgoing her property rights – against all the evidence – against the advice of council’s own staff – despite legislative protection - to satisfy a neighbour with a long history of making vexatious complaints. I’m referring to Julie Peacock of Gullies Road, Bundanoon, whose situation has been publicly documented on the internet forum Aussie Chook Chat (www.eboards4all.com/539153/messages/30251.html) over the past 2 & ½ years and whose plight is now being discussed on Backyard Poultry (forum.backyardpoultry.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7980925). Removing pre-existing land uses normally requires an act of parliament or a court decision. Overturning council zoning by executive decision and ignoring a previous council resolution is not within the power of a single elected representative. Summarily suspending a legally enshrined land use is not the prerogative of a single elected representative. I’m aghast at the harassment and bullying Julie has been subject to over the past two to three years, and to now have a local councilor weigh in and assist the neighbour in bullying Julie is frightening. This is a situation which attacks the heart of property rights in Australia – as any one of us might have our rights summarily removed on a whim despite legislative protection and democratic processes."

Subject: Re:letter to Julie's council about harassment
From: essie
To: All
Date Posted: 18:59:38 09/26/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 58.165.168.166

Message:
Hi Susan Loved your use of Vexatious! (do you have a background in law?)I have some law experience, dont forget to bring up the right to have "enjoyment of your property" (I think the actual legal term is "quite enjoyment of your property") this one opens up a can of worms when "townies" move into established semi rural areas, the townies take away the right of established land owners to "enjoy their property".If you cant swim in the duck pond bugger off back to town cheers essie

Subject: ps
From: Susan
To: All
Date Posted: 07:55:27 09/23/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 220.244.21.197

Message:
I included the hyperlinks in the email so they could quickly verify that this is being discussed in two public fora. They need to know it is out there already and can't be hushed up.

Subject: For sale and free to good home - East Melbourne
From: Kylie A
To: All
Date Posted: 19:41:05 09/22/09
Email Address: kyza_au@hotmail.com
Entered From: 211.28.213.139

Message:
Hi everyone, It seems I never come here except when I have bad news! Unfortunately, my mother passed away two weeks ago after a year long battle with cancer. I've been very busy with work and school and have come to realise that now she is gone there isn't anyone to really take care of our chooks, and they are also a financial burden that we can no longer afford. Some of them have a bit of scaley mite and lice so I'd strongly suggest quarantining them for a few days. SO, long story short, they all need new homes. What I have for sale are: 1 speckled sussex- can't say much for show quality but she is a lovely looking healthy bird, about 1 year old - $15 5 laying hens (2 leghorn X, 2 ISA brown, 1 new hampshire X), just started laying within the last month - $8 each 3 black layers (not sure about their breed but they have wyandotte combs) about 1 year old and good layers - $5 each Free to a good home: 1 Buff wyandotte bantam - she isn't show quality and is a runt. Also, the poor thing has had a lot of trouble with scaley mite and needs to have her legs treated again and her nails clipped (although I will hopefully do this in the next few days) 2 ISA browns. Not sure about age but they have a nice temperament and still lay. 1 Araucana X. Not sure about age but lays white-blue eggs fairly often. If anyone is interested please respond on here or send me an email (although my junk filter may pick you up!) I'm sad to see them go after enjoying the simplicities of a flock of chooks for 6 years, but without mum gone I know it's best that they find new homes where they'll get the time and care they deserve. Fondest regards to everyone on here who remembers me, and I hope you're all doing well. Kylie xoxo

Subject: sick chook
From: Allison
To: All
Date Posted: 18:22:29 09/22/09
Email Address: allisonjackson@live.com.au
Entered From: 124.177.51.36

Message:
can soemone please help me i have 3 isa brown hens and 1 just sits and has diahoria and is a little wobbly, she is not interested in food scraps and i have noticed the other 2 girls attacking her back and pulling feathers. I wormed them 2 days ago. Any advise on what else i can do.

Subject: Re:sick chook
From: Jane S
To: All
Date Posted: 13:42:56 09/26/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 202.3.37.183

Message:
Hi Allison, I just noticed no-one had replied to your message. If you haven't already, separate her from the others because they will end up pecking her to death. How old is this girl? Isa's unfortunately (in most cases) aren't long lived and are very prone to cancers, so if she's more than say 18 months old, I'd suspect something sinister. When she walks, is she waddling like a duck? Is she off balance and using her wings for support? When she is standing, are her wings and tail droppy, or sitting up where they should be? What colour are her droppings? When did she lay last? Sorry for all the questions, but it might give us a better idea of what's going on. Jane :rolleyes:

Subject: Re:sick chook
From: Allison
To: All
Date Posted: 16:57:40 09/27/09
Email Address: allisonjackson@live.com.au
Entered From: 121.220.76.217

Message:
thanks jane, She is over 18 mths , she hasnt laid for atleast a week, when she is sitting her wings are up, she does waddle like a duck but has really gone down hill. her droppings were a very runny brown green. I really dont think that she will be around much longer. Do you know how long Isa browns live for? Thanks Allison

Subject: Re:sick chook
From: Jane S
To: All
Date Posted: 22:12:40 09/27/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 202.3.37.66

Message:
Most don't live more than 2-3 years. There are exceptions to every rule though. Some here have had them 7 and 8yo. If she's waddling, there's a chance she's got egg yolk peritonitis. That is where instead of the yolk travelling down the passage and forming an egg, it drops back into the abdominal cavity. After while they build up and they get an infection and a fluid build up in the belly. Feel her belly and see if it feels full and squishy. If that's what she's got, you can treat the symptoms, that is, draining the fluid from her belly, but that's only temporary. The only cure is to get her desexed. Other than that, she'll need to be put down. That is assuming that's what she's got. Jane :rolleyes:

Subject: Re:sick chook
From: Allison
To: All
Date Posted: 17:20:42 10/21/09
Email Address: allisonjackson@live.com.au
Entered From: 58.170.228.245

Message:
Thankyou jane for all your help, we did loose her and i have since purchased 2 new chooks, however the 2 surviving Isa browns are not happy about this at all.

Subject: My poor chook
From: Jodie
To: All
Date Posted: 19:35:42 09/19/09
Email Address: jjsugars@adam.com.au
Entered From: 219.90.240.241

Message:
Hi. i hope you can help. My Isa brown chook has had poo stuck on the feathers around her vent for the past week. She is still eating and free ranging in the garden but she is really sluggish and can't seem to jump up onto the perch at night. her wattle and comb looks a bit dull but it has been like that since she started moulting 3 months ago. She also was the only chook that had visible mites on her tail feathers which I treated 2 months ago. any ideas? could it be worms?

Subject: Re:My poor chook
From: Jane S
To: All
Date Posted: 23:29:13 09/20/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 202.3.37.237

Message:
I'd worm her, if just to rule it out. As she free ranges, make sure you use a wormer that treats tapeworms too, e.g wormout gel or Avitrol Plus. There are others, but they are they easiest to get. How old is she? Is she swollen at all around her belly? Is she waddling like a duck at all? Jane :rolleyes:

Subject: Re:My poor chook
From: jodie
To: All
Date Posted: 21:33:34 09/21/09
Email Address: jjsugars@adam.com.au
Entered From: 115.166.19.91

Message:
She is about 20 months old. I have 4 other chooks.(2 pekins,1 white wyandotte and another isa brown) and they are all well so far. She doesn't have any blood in her poo. She is walking around like she is a bit slow and not her usual walk and can't jump up on the perch. She has been sitting on the floor of the coop at night. but then she gets up and eats like usual. I saw what I presume was a red mite on my white wyandotte yesterday so I treated the girls and spread powder around the coop. her wattle and comb is still dull looking and her soiled tail feathers smell strong like an ammonia smell. I will get some of the stuff you have suggested and worm all the girls just to be safe. Cheers jodie

Subject: PLEASE HELP ME !!!!! The Mayor is going to sacrifice my rights to just get rid of the nutty neighbour
From: chooksrus
To: All
Date Posted: 15:06:15 09/19/09
Email Address: morvern@bigpond.com
Entered From: 60.229.31.232

Message:
Dear Poultry Lovers everywhere. I need your help – please write a letter to the Mayor who saw me yesterday. I own 2 properties in The Wingecarribee Shire NSW. My properties are 2 acres zoned 2b. My other property is just across the lane and is 23 acres it is Zoned Rural 1a. My vexatious neighbours have made the following false complaints which have been proven unfounded after many investigations. I lived next to them for 14 yrs,and the 1st complaint was received just 2 yrs ago, one week after my farmstays started to be built, that they had most vehemently objected to. 1. That we do not change the linen at the guesthouses. 2. That we are polluting Coal Creek. 3. That our duck pond is unsanitary at 2 acre property. 4. That we have illegal drainage of duck pond into gutter at 2 acre property. 5. That we have no ‘pool fence’ and our children are at risk at 2 acre property. 6. That our plumbing trenches are dangerous to guests at 23 acre property. REPEATED SEVERAL TIMES 7. That our plumbing trenches are open for an extended amount of time. REPEATED SEVERAL TIMES 8. That we are working on our development out of permitted hours. REPEATED SEVERAL TIMES 9. That we are trapping dogs. 10. That our rooster is noisy. REPEATED SEVERAL TIMES 11. That our waterfowl are noisy. 12. That our waterfowl are smelly. 13. That we have hundreds of fowl on property at 2 acre property. REPEATED SEVERAL TIMES 14. That we have hundreds of fowl on property at 23 acre property. REPEATED SEVERAL TIMES 15. That we are burning off illegal materials (building materials). 16. That we are burning off vegetation. 17. That we are removing trees illegally. REPEATED SEVERAL TIMES 18. That we have too many guests at the guesthouse. 19. That we opened the guesthouse to guests prior to occupation certificate. 20. That we had no Home Owners Warranty Inssurance whilst building. 21. Lack of development signs at front of property. 22. Illegal Farm Dam on 23 acre property. 23. Dangerous Farm Dam – deep and dangerous to guests on 23 acre property. 24. That car port was not an approved building at 2 acre property. 25. RSPCA notified that chickens have no water 26. RSPCA notified that chickens are dead and dying in the coop. 27. RSPCA notified that I am illegally trapping neighbour dogs with a metal jawed trap. 28. RSPCA notified that all my animals are in poor condition on 2 acre property REPEATED SEVERAL TIMES 29. School Principal notified that we are a danger to our son in way we take him out of car. 30. Work Cover notified my site is dangerous. 31. Private Building Certifier notified that we are working on development out of permitted hours. 32. Private Building Certifier notified about trenches being a danger to guests. 33. NSW Department of Environment, climate change and water report that we are clearing vegetation. We came out of all these investigations totally unscathed as indeed we do nothing wrong….. In February on the 25th Wingecarribee Shire Council resolved that no more complaints would be looked into unless an emergency. This was a proper official council resolution. It was marvellous we had peace……. BUT on 2nd September 2 rangers came to my premises, issuing me with an order to show my fowls to them on 9th as the neighbour has complained that I have too many fowl and they are disturbing them. I immediately said come and look right now right….. this minute… I took them up and showed them my one Minorca rooster, my 10 Minorca hens, my 14 Welsh Harlequin ducks, and my two geese. They live in the same pen I have used for 12 years. The rangers with my permission photographed, audio taped and left telling me they would not action it and they could not see a problem. Within the next few days the Neighbour went in with a sleeping bag and refused to leave customer service, crying, shouting and carrying on demanding to see the Mayor or the General Manager. Sadly her ploy worked and she obtained a meeting with the General Manager and the following business day the Mayor. I was telephoned asking could I help, I said this is another vexatious complaint so therefore any help I give would be useless. Later I decided I would assist and moved all my ducks and geese to the front of the property, a part which does not border even closely the neighbours property. My 10 hens and rooster stayed where they belong in the chicken coop which is 30 metres from the neighbours dwelling. I wrote this into the council putting them on notice however that the problem would not be solved as the complaint was vexatious just like all the others and that indeed I would be using this as an example proving once and for all the vexatiousness when another different complaint was put in subsequently. I was asked to come in by Duncan Gair the Mayor. I mentioned to the person making the appointment that I would be bringing up the 7 illegal sheds on the neighbour property and why they were not dealt with after 18 mths. THIS IS NOW THE DISTURBING PART: I took in my many many show winning cards, my champion ribbons x 5. I told him I was involved with the EPA and a member of the Moss Vale Poultry club and the moderator of a chicken chat room. I told him I was a breeder and that my rooster was not only allowed but necessary on my property. I told him all my breeds were Rare, Heritage listed breeds Duncan Gair was not informed nor interested in the regulations governing Poultry in our shire, he kept interrupting and undermining my comments that I am within all regulations when I brought them up. Even worse he then would not acknowledge that my property zoned 1a Rural was a separate entity top my 2 acre property. He kept saying my fowl are talking back and forwards from the properties so I am not helping and refusing to help even though I shifted more than half of my fowl. He is saying my fowl on the 23 acre property need to be changed too. He keep dismissing his head of Environment and Healts managers comments that I am within regulation continually playing down this. He dismissed that I have an approved farm stay tourist property and that my guests would complain if the noise was a true issue. He would not ‘go there’ with the issue of them being vexatious. A few important facts. My chicken coops are 30 metres away when the outlined distance is only 4.5 metres. In fact my coop follows every single rule outlined in keeping fowl. THERE IS NO RULE THAT I CAN’T HAVE A ROOSTER, and I am a responsible neighbour - as I only have one. The coop has been in the same place for 12 years, the geese are 9 yrs old and I had them since eggs. The DA for the neighbours 7 illegal sheds was refused (in its current form) just 3 weeks ago which is the precipitating event for this chicken complaint. The 23 acre rural zoned property has 4 roosters in two coops and probably 30 fowl, 4 peacock, 7 geese – but this is a permitted use as I am 1 a, and also these poultry pens would be 100 metres from the neighbours dwelling at the closest. Oh and by the way to put a nail in the coffin of the neighbours vexatiousness the complaint number 34. The the Department of Environment, climate change and water was only made on Thursday this week. Duncan Gair was not interested in this, indeed dismissed this too. I am very afraid they are going to DIRECT ME to remove my fowl due to noise nuisance simply to appease this vexatious complainant so she will not come and harass the staff at the council. He doesn’t care about poultry and he will sacrifice my rights for his peace!!! Please email him and tell him that poultry owners will not stand for this. wscmail@wsc.nsw.gov.au. Address your comments to The Mayor. All help will be much appreciated if you can email them to me so I can have copies that would be great as I can also make sure the letters are not ‘just suppressed, lost etc”. My email address is morvern@bigpond.com

Subject: Re:PLEASE HELP ME !!!!! The Mayor is going to sacrifice my rights to just get rid of the nutty neighbour
From: Heidi
To: All
Date Posted: 11:40:00 09/21/09
Email Address: jwdick@bigpond.com
Entered From: 124.180.84.230

Message:
The NSW Ombudsman, has a section dedicated to investigation into local government conduct: We help make sure councils act fairly and reasonably. We can look at the conduct of councillors and council employees and the administrative conduct of the council itself. What we can investigate The issues that we can investigate include: failing to comply with proper procedures or the law failing to enforce development consent conditions failing to act on complaints about unauthorised work and illegal activities failing to notify affected people before certain decisions are made failing to comply with tendering procedures unreasonable, discriminatory, or inconsistent treatment failing to reply to correspondence misusing secrecy provisions refusing access to and charging excessively for access to council documents/records that should be publicly available. We can also investigate the conduct of accredited certifiers if they fail to act fairly and reasonably. there are many many things here Julie that you can complain about...the non DA erected sheds the behaviour of the Mayor towards you (unreasonable, discriminatory, or inconsistent treatment ) (failing to enforce development consent conditions failing to act on complaints about unauthorised work and illegal activities ) I agree with the AVO mentioned on BYP....the "Acting" GM and the mayor, will not want to be dragged into that one! Seriously consider the Ombudsman, this is why the department exists. Heidi

Subject: Putting pressure on the Mayor is my lawyers idea.
From: chooksrus
To: All
Date Posted: 09:22:47 09/21/09
Email Address: morvern@bigpond.com
Entered From: 121.216.17.135

Message:
I already have legal guys on this everyone and have had for a very long time. Blood brother type wonderful lawyer - a big sharp gun. Trouble is this is why it is called legal harrassment. Vexatious complaints is a really uncertain and under legislated problem. Every one at council and in government departments keeps using the throw away line mediate - putting the onus back on me but problem is the woman is mentally ill. I have proof of this and she has written this in to council as well so it is a statement of fact not slander btw..... Pleas Please everyone write a letter to the mayor!

Subject: Re:PLEASE HELP ME !!!!! The Mayor is going to sacrifice my rights to just get rid of the nutty neighbour
From: GReGGLeS
To: All
Date Posted: 12:13:51 09/20/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 59.167.43.80

Message:
The mayor cannot change zoning nor can he override council resolutions. Might be time to get the relevant state minister involved, and also the tourism minister as well.

Subject: Re:PLEASE HELP ME !!!!! The Mayor is going to sacrifice my rights to just get rid of the nutty neighbour
From: Susan
To: All
Date Posted: 12:46:26 09/20/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 110.175.73.149

Message:
Perfectly true Greggles. He is using standover tactics to intimidate Julie into forgoing her rights as his way of "solving" the problem of her loopy neighbour. Even if Julie does get rid of her poultry it'll then be some other issue which this neighbour will have problems with. The problem is the neighbour, not Julie and like you I think it's about time the Mayor was told he is now out of line as well.

Subject: Re:PLEASE HELP ME !!!!! The Mayor is going to sacrifice my rights to just get rid of the nutty neighbour
From: Susan
To: All
Date Posted: 22:49:52 09/19/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 110.175.71.63

Message:
I will definitely be sending the Mayor an email and following up with whatever else I can do. Get a lawyer Julie. And is there a (state govt) Dept of Local Govt and Planning in NSW? I would be taking it to them too.

Subject: Susan......The Mayor is going to sacrifice my rights to just get rid of the nutty neighbour
From: chooksrus
To: All
Date Posted: 06:52:31 09/20/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 60.229.31.232

Message:
Thank you Thank you!!!It is fine to just email me a letter if you want I will pass it on. Talk to me about the department you have mentioned....... what is their authority ....what do they do?

Subject: Re:Susan......The Mayor is going to sacrifice my rights to just get rid of the nutty neighbour
From: Susan
To: All
Date Posted: 07:39:36 09/20/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 110.175.73.149

Message:
There should be a state govt dept called Dept of Local Govt or similar. They have oversight of local govt in the sense they monitor legislation about local govt, planning schemes, regional plans etc. In the event of a dispute they are a useful source of info (eg. clarify your rights) and they can liaise (eg with the Mayor to make sure he knows what he can and can't do) to make sure outcomes are within the legislation. Take the story to them, make an appointment and ask for their help. My partner also says you should get an AVO aginst this woman. He says you have enough evidence and it will make the rest of her life hell. Most importantly it will put the Mayor's actions in a very different light. What she is doing is bullying, pure and simple. Many bullies, if they get nowhere on their own, then co-opt others to help them. She is now using the Mayor and the other govt dept you mentioned to help her. By getting an AVO against her it makes it very clear to the Mayor that he is being drawn into a situation he really does not want hanging over his head for years. eg if he loses the election he can still find himself on the receiving end of your litigation for years to come. Since it is clearly outside local govt legislation, he is getting himself into a situation which is a personal decision and can't be fobbed off to subsequent mayors to deal with. He's not doing it as Mayor cause the legislation doesn't back him up and his own staff have advised him against it (he's a fool). So it can only be viewed as him as an individual taking this action. Get a lawyer. Get a lawyer. Have you joined the ABA yet? I will email Barbara anyway, she might help even if you are not a member. (this is why I always advise everyone to join the ABA - you just never know when you're going to get a looney neighbour ....). I will copy the letter I send here. Can you get me the email addresses of the opposition candidate and Pru Goward (I have been over at BYP) and I will copy it to them as well as to Barbara at ABA).

Subject: Chooksrus what happened?
From: Tanya
To: All
Date Posted: 23:52:38 09/18/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 149.135.104.195

Message:
Hi Julie Have been thinking of you today. So what happened? Did the Mayor wear his jammies to the meeting? Did you serve scones? with jam AND cream? Can the rooster stay? Are all the council staff coming to stay the night (complete with sleeping bags) to check out the noise pollution situation? :) I hope it went well and you got a good outcome. Tanya

Subject: Re:Chooksrus come on Julie what has happened?
From: Rod G
To: All
Date Posted: 08:36:26 09/19/09
Email Address: 42 wall @ g mail .com
Entered From: 211.30.255.228

Message:
come on Julie we gota know ( we are all hoping for the best outcome ) Rod G

Subject: No good at all I'm afraid - please help everyone........
From: chooksrus
To: All
Date Posted: 15:19:32 09/19/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 60.229.31.232

Message:
n/m

Subject: If At Melbourne Show......
From: byhookorchook
To: All
Date Posted: 20:00:14 09/18/09
Email Address: byhookorchook@yahoo.com.au
Entered From: 124.179.0.217

Message:
Recently I picked this up through ebay, from Bathurst. (http) ://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll ... K:MEWAX:IT I was at the Melbourne Show today and there is a display of Heritage Items in a stall with another Poultry newspaper featuring Longtails and Sumatra on the cover. 1946 Australian Paper published in NSW. I learnt later who owns it. So much of our history is lost, but fortunately much is still coming to light. If you are going to the show, take time to look at the exhibit.

Subject: australorp and barnevelder hens
From: Jane
To: All
Date Posted: 13:56:26 09/17/09
Email Address: troyandjane04@yahoo.com
Entered From: 210.50.107.6

Message:
Hi there, I live in the Perth metro area and am chasing australorp and barnevelder pullets. Can anyone recommend any local breeders or suppliers? Thank you for your help.Cheers, Jane

Subject: Re:australorp and barnevelder hens
From: Wayne L.
To: All
Date Posted: 21:48:39 09/17/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 124.254.68.158

Message:
Hi Jane get in touch with a poultry Club in your area and they will be able to tell you who has some. cheers Wayne L.

Subject: Re:australorp and barnevelder hens
From: Jane
To: All
Date Posted: 21:58:11 09/19/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 210.50.107.6

Message:
Thanks for that Wayne, will give it a go. Cheers, Jane

Subject: Urgent - council investigating neighbour complaint re: noise
From: chooksrus
To: All
Date Posted: 15:17:06 09/16/09
Email Address: morvern@bigpond.com
Entered From: 144.131.100.92

Message:
The gumboot neighbours have suceeded in seeing the Mayor about my fowl. She did this by wearing PJ's, taking her sleeping bag into customer enquiries in council and refusing to budge until she saw either the general manager or the Mayor. Lots of tears and whinging.Refused to leave for 4 hrs. The GM rang me and asked if I would help. She is complaining about 10 ducks and 8 hens with ONE rooster the pens are 50m from her house.Rangers came out and with my permission taped the silence (thank you chickens + ducks, you did well) and photographed my coop and its occupants. I did this on the spot so the council KNOWS I didnt set up that there was only one rooster there. Mayor now wants to meet with me on Friday please give me advice. The gumboot neighbours have lodged 30 complaints rangeing over a huge variety of subjects, I have always came out clean when investigated. The gumboots have 6 illegal sheds which they have been asked to remove or retrospectively DA. Only other info which is important is that the council passed a resolution back in February to cease investigating due to the amount of false complaints How do I approach the meeting...............

Subject: Re:Urgent - council investigating neighbour complaint re: noise
From: Susan in central Qld
To: All
Date Posted: 15:21:56 09/18/09
Email Address: creekholme@hotmail.com
Entered From: 203.8.131.32

Message:
Come on Julie, we want to know what happened. How did it go? Did the Mayor turn up? What did he suggest? What did you suggest? I keep checking but there is no update. I hope you're alright.

Subject: Re:Urgent - council investigating neighbour complaint re: noise
From: Susan in central Qld
To: All
Date Posted: 09:32:09 09/17/09
Email Address: creekholme@hotmail.com
Entered From: 203.8.131.32

Message:
Julie, this is terrible, I don't come here much anymore but have been following your plight for years now. I don't know what to say though. Be nice to the poor man, he is probably at his wits end too, and show you are not a fool like the loser in her pyjamas in his foyer. Then I'd be looking at taking some other action. Go see a lawyer. And start talking to the local paper. And keep talking to us so's you don't go mad.

Subject: Re:Urgent - council investigating neighbour complaint re: noise
From: Tanya
To: All
Date Posted: 22:38:50 09/16/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 149.135.104.182

Message:
Julie You go to the meeting assuming that they are on your side and are following through with the complaints to get your neighbour off their backs. Your nose is clean as far as council is concerned. So you go in there with a smile on your face and you are nice as pie and demonstrate your willingness to be helpful. If they want to insist that the rooster has to go could you offer to shift the breeding pen to the guesthouse property? Farmstay guests are more likely to be charmed than irate about hearing a rooster first thing in the morning - beats the sound of a garbage truck any day! and it adds to the 'farminess' of a country holiday. If you are prepared to show a willingness to help council get this nutter off their backs they are more likely to be supportive of you. Good luck. Of course you could always come in with a counter complaint that the sound of her mix-master/radio/hairdryer/whatever is bothering your hens :) but I'm not sure that it would help much. Tanya

Subject: I am on a 2 acre property rural zoned. HELP HELP HELP!!! n/m
From: chooksrus
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Date Posted: 15:19:54 09/16/09
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Help me win this I breed and show and my Rooster is important. I also own a 25 acre farm stay with 3 x 3 bedroom cottages on it

Subject: Re:I am on a 2 acre property rural zoned. HELP HELP HELP!!! n/m
From: Raine
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Date Posted: 06:57:36 09/18/09
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Julie, Can't believe you are still having problems with these 'people'. Like Susan I have been following this insanity for years, hang in there mate. Don't let the b...... break you or the council persuade/bully you into helping to 'keep the peace'. (I know it's easy for me to say I'm not living the nightmare). Make the decision that is right for you and your family. Thinking of you, wishing you strength and luck. cheers 'Raine

Subject: Re:I am on a 2 acre property rural zoned. HELP HELP HELP!!! n/m
From: Heidi
To: All
Date Posted: 06:32:59 09/17/09
Email Address: heijo@bigpond.com
Entered From: 124.185.230.15

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I can't believe this happened AFTER I spoke with you yesterday morning....poor you. The Mayor is about to face a re - election, so perhaps speaking with Clr Jillian Archright who is after his position may be helpful? (you may be best leaving this till after his visit) Remember HE can't force you to get rid of your animals...you are ZONED rural (not sure what your zone is(the one like 7b or 1a) but i have had lengthy discussions with council about poultry, they only currently have laws pertianing to the amount of dogs you can keep (this requires you to be licenced), but not hens roosters Waterfowl on a rural property...... for pitty sake you have 1 rooster.....I have 10..... How do the other residents around you feel about the Gumboots?......DONT meet the mayor with out someone else (non emotional) present, letters of support for who you are and what you do may help. Are you a member of the Moss Vale poultry club or the show society....if so we need to canvas some members for letters supporting your SHOW breeding STOCK.... ....I know a few others who are only on small blocks that will be affected if they make you the precedence....they are committee members of the club......OH BTW you are conserving RARE BREEDS. I think the best thing is Allow the Mayor to come....show him your birds...show him what a misery these gumboots are making your life....your kids life...the stress you are suffering physically, metally and emotionally...she played the emotional card, but she played the NUT...you be the gracious host, show him how important it is to have the birds on the prperty for the guesthouse...the reason ppl come to stay is the rural atmosphere...the tourist $$$ is about the only thing supporting the area at the moment....give him the guided tour...tell him or show him all the documentation of the suffering the Gumboots have put you through.... ALL of exeter / bundanoon will be effected if they force you to remove your birds....most of the poulrty keepers in the southern villages are on smaller rural zoned blocks than you and this can not sit well for any of them...so perhaps the papers would cover the out come, if that outcome is not favourable..... If the OUTCOME is in your favor......DEMAND this in writing from council, so that if and when we get a change of local government.....the Gumboot cant go back and try again. I would then consider some form of Civil action against the Gumboots....AVO / Compensation for emotional stress....etc etc....this may just be enough to have them pack their bags and move.... If you need me or any numbers email me and I will send you what ever you need..... Heidi

Subject: Don't fret
From: Rhayden
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Date Posted: 23:57:35 09/16/09
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I think it is all on your side I hoep they do a evauation to see if she is sane and then if found not right in the head they will put her somewhere to get help away from you. ( shugs shoulders) Rhayden

Subject: Re:I am on a 2 acre property rural zoned. HELP HELP HELP!!! n/m
From: Sybil
To: All
Date Posted: 17:29:21 09/16/09
Email Address: travelin@mira.net
Entered From: 210.23.141.51

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Firstly, what is the name of the council? And what are their regulations regarding chooks and ducks in particular? If it is zoned rural , then there should be a number of fowl allowed per hectares/acre. I think with this you are either in the right or in the wrong - councils don't seem to care much about bending the rules, no matter how good the reason. Is you other property attached to the one you keep the chooks?

Subject: Last Show
From: Wayne L.
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Date Posted: 00:00:30 09/13/09
Email Address:
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Well we finished the show season on a high note we took 3 Moderns, 2 Aussies and 1 Pit for 1 second,5 Firsts and Champ Modern,Champ Aussie, Champ H/f Ckl, Champ H/f Pullet and Champ Hard/Feather Bantam. cheers Wayne L.

Subject: Re:good one wayne!
From: essie
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Date Posted: 19:28:34 09/14/09
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Hi Wayne Hope you are spreeding around your breeding skills and knowledge cheers essie

Subject: Re:Last Show
From: Jane S
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Date Posted: 00:48:57 09/13/09
Email Address:
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A second??? What happened? LOL! Seriously, what a great way to end the season. Well done! Jane :rolleyes:

Subject: Re:Last Show
From: Wayne L.
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Date Posted: 21:14:36 09/13/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 124.254.68.111

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Yes mate I had 2 ckls in the 1 class but the aussie pullet that got h/f pullet is only 4 1/2 mths old the judge said she will be something to see when she matures. Wayne L.

Subject: Re:Last Show
From: Rhayden
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Date Posted: 03:25:26 09/14/09
Email Address:
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WELL DONE Let me do a dance for you :banana: And this is a cup your must have!!:cup: Rhayden

Subject: starting out
From: Jenny
To: All
Date Posted: 08:14:17 09/11/09
Email Address: geoffvanryn@yahoo.com.au
Entered From: 124.184.186.157

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Hello- I am keen to have 4 to 5 free ranging chooks.I live on a very steep terraced house block and am intending to modify my sons cubby into a chook shed. It sits on a wooden deck and gets lots of sun and fresh air but is shaded in summer.There are bandicoots,possums and (unfortunately) cats around so I thought perhaps buying fully grown chooks may be a better option than chicks Eggs would be lovely but really are not a priority- these chooks would be pets (sorry all you serious chookies - I just love chooks) The cubby can be lifted to line underneath. Any advice will be vety much appreciated- apart from pet bantums as a child I have no experience in chook keeping. Thanking you - Jenny

Subject: Re:starting out
From: Wayne L.
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Date Posted: 21:22:21 09/13/09
Email Address:
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Hi Jenny yes they should be ok in the cubby but yes buy young fully grown chooks. cheers Wayne L.

Subject: Re:starting out
From: essie
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Date Posted: 19:56:29 09/14/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 121.219.35.88

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Hi Jenny the cubby sounds fine , cats will normally not trouble a full grown bird. You need to buy "point of lay pullets" these are birds that are full size but not quite laying, but should lay within a month or so of you buying them. Be aware that some people will try to sell you old birds, take someone with you that knows a bit about poultry when you buy your first birds. Give your new birds the attention and care you would give a new puppy and then sit back and not have to buy eggs again for the next three years (plus the added bonous of the stress relief they give). You will find watching them takes away the cares of the day...dont believe me?, post back after you get your new flock, each one has a different personality.. be aware that keeping poultry is addictive!. Lots of people here to help you about feed, housing, diesease etc. Enjoy and know you have found the right site to get the info you need. cheers essie

Subject: WANTED bantams in Brisbane, ANY varieties
From: Brad
To: All
Date Posted: 14:43:20 09/10/09
Email Address: bbbradm@hotmail.com
Entered From: 115.131.19.55

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I am most interested in autralorps, araucanas and rhode is reds in bantam only please. I would like 6 or so as back yard layers

Subject: Bloody egg
From: Tanya
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Date Posted: 23:21:33 09/09/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 58.163.129.194

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I found an egg today, freshly laid on the grass, well away from any nesting areas, that was covered in a big, bloody mucousy lump of goo. I got the impression that it had just fallen out of the hen as she was wandering along rather than that she had chosen to lay in that particular spot. Inside the egg was pretty normal although there was a bit of blood in the lining of the shell - maybe it had been absorbed through the shell from the goop surrounding the egg? I kept an eye out but could not see a hen that was obviously unwell or any that had gobs of bloody stuff stuck to their feathers. Any ideas about what this could be? Is it a one off or do I have a hen with terrible reproductive problems? I have a few young cockerels running around at the moment. Could one of them have been a bit 'over enthusiastic'? All suggestions welcome. Tanya

Subject: Re:Bloody egg
From: Rhayden
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Date Posted: 05:34:03 09/10/09
Email Address:
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I found this link I think it will help someone else said about a chicken that is paralized ?? Here it is put it all together like it show be. h t t p: / / www.poultry.msstate.edu/extension/pdf/diseases_poultry_diagnosis_symptoms.pdf I can't space and put the www together I don't know why. Rhayden

Subject: sorry folks
From: Rhayden
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Date Posted: 05:40:33 09/10/09
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I found this it tell more I am sorry I should of looked more. Take the spaces out remember. h t t p : / / edis.ifas.ufl.edu/PS044 M... now why did it do it that time????? RHayden

Subject: Re:sorry folks
From: Tanya
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Date Posted: 00:12:17 09/11/09
Email Address:
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Thanks Rhayden but there was nothing that matched it in either of those documents. No sign of any hens unwell today. Another hen laid an egg on the grass today but not the same hen - completely different coloured egg - and not in the same spot. for some reason they've gone off what was their favourite nest box and some of the other good ones have been taken up by broodies, maybe the outdoor laying is just a symptom of not being able to wait. Still don't know about the bloody egg though. Tanya

Subject: Re:sorry folks
From: Rhayden
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Date Posted: 23:30:27 09/11/09
Email Address:
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Sorry I have one other idea I don't know about his but someone else might be able to say if I am right. Maybe she just pasted a larger then normal egg she would normally have and it bled some. I don't want to be gross here but I need to explain this for example. Terry has hemoroid and sometimes her will have some blood come out he says it is the hemeroids are that do it. He says about a cup full is out. This is the only thing i can think up. Rhayden

Subject: Re:sorry folks
From: Rhayden
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Date Posted: 05:43:03 09/10/09
Email Address:
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I forgot the www in that sorry?? :( Rhayden

Subject: What causes paralysis in hens?
From: Kate
To: All
Date Posted: 17:12:24 09/02/09
Email Address: katherine.blackwell@bigpond.com
Entered From: 58.168.96.189

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Hi, I have a silkie hen who is not yet pol and she was limping slightly yesterday. I've seperated her out and today she is worse. SHe is still eating and drinking, no runny bottom. Her eyes are clear and alert and she is chirping away. The lady I got her from said she has been vaccinated for Mareks. What else can I do to help her? Any suggestions as to what it could be? Thanks for any help, Kate

Subject: Re:What causes paralysis in hens?
From: RHayden
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Date Posted: 23:00:28 09/02/09
Email Address:
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I was on BYC an found this they talk of stroke and then there is this. Thanks for all the suggestions everyone. There are vitamins from a really good company (Fertrell) in my chicken feed. I still may need the vitamins in water. Also, I think I may have found the answer froman excellent article today about chicken leg problems with pastured chickens. I don't have time now, but I will type the details and post to the forum later. The abbreviated version: The 4 most common leg problems mentioned in the article are from different causes: 1. Curly toes -- a Riboflavin deficiency. Increase B vitamins. 2. Spraddle Leg -- we all know about this but here it says it's a Manganese deficiency. No cure, but preventable. 3. Marek's -- a tumor growth on sciatic nerve, can be prevented with vaccination. Possibly helps to increase vitamin E in water. 4. Viral Arthritis -- infection that enters through the skin of the hock joint due to poor bedding conditions. I am pretty sure with my hen, it's either 1 or 4 (unfortunately). I already gave her B vitamins, and tommorrow we're cleaning out the coop -- she sleeps in one box that has built up poop in it. Their henhouse is generally neat and clean but the one area has gotten kinda poopy. I feel horrible if it is #4 because then it's our fault for not keeping her area more clean. I am going to do my best to help her recover. I hope maybe this can help you. Rhayden

Subject: Re:What causes paralysis in hens?
From: Kate
To: All
Date Posted: 06:57:05 09/03/09
Email Address: katherine.blackwell@bigpond.com
Entered From: 58.168.96.189

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Thanks Rhayden that is a big help. SHe is still around this morning and no worse or better so I dn't know what is going on with her. Hope yours get better. Best wishes, Kate

Subject: Re:What causes paralysis in hens?
From: Leanne
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Date Posted: 10:12:37 09/03/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 203.213.250.155

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Kate, at this age is the perfect time for Mareks to present itself. Vaccination is not 100% guranteed to stop the disease and if the previous owner vaccinates then its probably because the disease has been around. Also, does the previous owner vaccinate correctly. If its not done at the right age and done correctly with a fresh vaccine (not frozen) then its useless, unfortunately. Even done correctly - they can still get it. Having said that, she may have just hurt herself and be a bit sore, but I would be suspicious of mareks. The classical pose is one leg out in front and one behind BUT not all birds with mareks do this. All you can really do is offer TLC and wait and see. If its mareks then there is nothing you can do. Very few survive and if they do they then become carriers. Rickets can also cause lameness, but not very common in silkies and if she has been on a well balanced diet then I would not think it was this. Good luck with her, Leanne

Subject: Lost a good broody
From: Tanya
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Date Posted: 21:19:29 09/01/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 58.163.128.207

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Hi Everyone Just wanted to share my sad news. I got home today and found my best broody hen lying down next to the water dish. I thought she was dead but when I picked her up she opened her eye and looked at me. She was in a pretty bad way, her comb was pale and she didn't seem to be very keen to keep living. I checked her over and there didn't seem to be any broken bones. If I tried to put her down to stand she just sank down on the ground. She had been nesting next to a muscovy and every now and then they would have a bit of a dispute about whose eggs were whose. They had reached a point where they had about half and half chook and duck eggs each. I can only assume that the dispute had reached a point where fisticuffs were involved. I moved the chook to a new nest site away from the duck, offered her food and water and gave her a hot water bottle as she seemed cold. I went to check on her a couple of hours later but it was too late. She won't raise three or four broods of chicks this season. I'm going to miss her. Tanya

Subject: Re:Lost a good broody
From: Wayne L.
To: All
Date Posted: 20:45:20 09/02/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 124.254.68.31

Message:
Hi Tanya sorry about your loss I would sooner loose a pure bred than a good broody I have a couple of broodies you can add chicks to them and they just gather them in to me they are priceless. Wayne L.

Subject: Re:Lost a good broody
From: jacquie
To: All
Date Posted: 14:51:28 09/02/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 220.235.55.47

Message:
its always sad to lose a chook, but especially sad to lose a valuable broody.

Subject: Re:Lost a good broody
From: Rhayden
To: All
Date Posted: 22:34:09 09/01/09
Email Address:
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I am sorry to hear of this. Rhayden

Subject: Re:Lost a good broody
From: Tanya
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Date Posted: 22:00:43 09/03/09
Email Address:
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Thanks everyone for your good wishes. At least it was fairly quick. The duck had better produce good results - this is her third round of sitting and I've never know her to be violent about it before (although she's always nested away from everyone else in the past so I suppose she has had no reason to be aggro). Tanya

Subject: Gold Coast Show
From: Wayne L.
To: All
Date Posted: 20:58:18 08/30/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 124.254.68.160

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Hi Guys we went to the Gold Coast Agg Show we got 4seconds, 5 firsts,Champion Modern, Champion Australian Game and Champion Hard Feather Bantam with a Blue/Red Aussie Ckl at his first show and picked up $97 prize money. So we had a good week-end.

Subject: Gold Coast Show Wayne wins classes
From: Rod G
To: All
Date Posted: 07:49:12 08/31/09
Email Address: 42 wall @ g mail .com
Entered From: 211.30.255.228

Message:
Congrats Wayne winners are grinners you are breeding top stuff there. cheers Rod G

Subject: Aylesbury & Khaki Camplell ducks for sale- NSW
From: David
To: All
Date Posted: 09:21:00 08/30/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 58.168.49.80

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Breeding trios of Aylesbury & Khaki Campbell ducks for sale, located Cootamundra (Riverina/South West Slopes of NSW). If interested please ring Grahame on 02-69422284 after 6pm.

Subject: Looking for a Light Sussex rooster
From: Jayjay
To: All
Date Posted: 16:52:03 08/27/09
Email Address: allamera64@hotmail.com
Entered From: 121.45.145.210

Message:
Hey everyone I have promised my mother I would track down a light sussex rooster for her (rapidly growing) flock of light sussex hens. So, here goes... A good sized large (young) light sussex rooster, pure bred. Friendly bloodline. No heavyset eyebrows. A good solid frame. Doesn't have to be show perfect but it would be nice :P Boorowa (NSW) is the town, so anywhere in the young / yass area is fine. Other large sussex colors would also be nice. :D Thanks Jessica

Subject: Re:Looking for a Light Sussex rooster
From: essie
To: All
Date Posted: 20:14:41 09/14/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 121.219.35.88

Message:
Hi Jay What a shame, I have the bird for you, but we are in queensland, and I know what you mean about the heavy browed birds. You can breed a big bird without that look (you could cut the head off the bird it it would still be 90 points) So breed for size and type, head correction is the icing on the cake cheers essie

Subject: 1st chicks of the season hatching now
From: essie
To: All
Date Posted: 18:22:59 08/21/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 124.177.117.185

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Hi guys the chicks have just started to hatch. Its a slow start to the season for us because of time taken up by the move. One sussex and one lorp on the ground so far. They are breaking through the egg much quicker this hatch, not sure why, but its a good thing they are less exhuasted on hatching. Everyone is laying really well now so I will have to keep hatching through the hot weather that will hit us very shortly. Oh well a very big air-con bill to stop the bator blowing temp. Never had the room before to hatch as many as I want so I dont know what a good number is?, my chooks are very sort after by other breeders and backyarders who want a nice looking bird, also we will probably eat 2 a week. Always hated math! cheers essie

Subject: Re:1st chicks of the season hatching now
From: Wayne L.
To: All
Date Posted: 20:34:12 08/24/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 124.254.68.166

Message:
Hi Essie happy hatching mate hope it all goes well for you. Wayne l.

Subject: Re:1st chicks of the season hatching now
From: Tanya
To: All
Date Posted: 22:38:08 08/22/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 149.135.104.229

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I've got three little peepers in a box on the kitchen table with a hottie right now. Hatched last night. I was a bit disappointed as I set about 15 eggs but it is still very early in the season and I think that the roosters hadn't warmed up yet. I've been topping up the incubator as I cull the reject eggs and the later eggs are showing more promise which is good. They're all crossbred layers at the moment (need to cull a few more cockerels before I can be certain about the breed of the parents) but there is a strong demand for them at our local market and people starting out with chooks seem to like having different coloured ones - it makes them easier for the kids to give them names. Happy hatching, Tanya

Subject: I have a stupid question about battery chickens
From: Rhayden
To: All
Date Posted: 02:24:36 08/21/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 64.12.116.66

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I read about the battery chickens and I am wondering when you get one of these chickens do they eat a lot all the time. I don't know if they are fed well, they have a awful exsistance but do they get feed till full or are they always hungry and does this carry on till after they are out of their prison (I guess you can say) Rhayden

Subject: Re:I have a stupid question about battery chickens
From: Tanya
To: All
Date Posted: 12:34:45 08/21/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 149.135.104.16

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Rhayden I think that unless they are 'rescued' then once they are released from their prison they don;t get the chance to eat any more. Instead they are killed and ground up to make chicken food. How gross is that? Tanya

Subject: Re:I have a stupid question about battery chickens
From: Rhayden
To: All
Date Posted: 23:28:13 08/21/09
Email Address:
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I have read a few people on here that have ex battery chickens I have no clue as to how you get one of these chickens, you are right as to how their life is and as far as made for chicken food well that is insult to injury isn't it. I think they also would find their (the chickens that are killed) way into dog and cat food as well as being for human consuption to, I have got bags of chicken legs and they have had broken legs thighs and and hips I take it the chicken was a battery chicken for all that I saw, I don't know. I had no idea how the eggs were marketed till I got on here I see free range in the market and yes I take them over the others I know it is one person but at least I know where they came from. I feel it is one more not buying from inprisoned chickens. Rhayden

Subject: Re:I have a stupid question about battery chickens
From: Heidi
To: All
Date Posted: 11:27:19 09/16/09
Email Address: jwdick@bigpond.com
Entered From: 58.168.22.105

Message:
Rhayden, I have some new rescues I got on Sunday, I lothe battery farms, I have no need of eggs I simply got them because I can offer some a home. Until Sunday I had never had a Hybrid bird, I have exhibition prue breeds, but i have to say, these birds are really sweet have great personalities and even though they have the most horrific body condition they have laid eggs every day since they came here. I have pics up on my blog Heidi

Subject: how much feed to give free range chooks
From: micko
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Date Posted: 11:17:37 08/19/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 121.91.62.1

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Gday. Thanks again for the replies to my last post. I really appreciate it. Just a general question on how much to feed free range chooks. I read that chooks eat about 100grams of pellets a day, but I guess that this assumes they are not eating much else. Since mine seem to scoff grass and weeds all day should I give them less, and if so about how much do you reckon? thanks Mick

Subject: Re:how much feed to give free range chooks
From: essie
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Date Posted: 17:55:22 08/21/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 124.177.117.185

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Hi Micko I was told sussex were pigs and would keep eating till the feeder was empty. It was not true and I use the all you can eat method. They tend to be less gready if they know food is always on hand. Another postive is that the birds down in the pecking order get a full belly too.I do not free range my birds so find that this works best for me. Jane is correct you do lose a lot to sparrows etc, and I liked her idea of feeding them just as they get locked up for the night, also their heart wont really be in the free ranging if you have an easier source of tucker laid on. Give Janes method a try I think you will get good results. cheers essie

Subject: Re:how much feed for chooks
From: wallace
To: All
Date Posted: 13:12:31 08/19/09
Email Address: 42 wall @ g mail .com
Entered From: 211.30.255.228

Message:
Mick I feed all the food they can eat and put away at night what they have not eaten. Only the ISAS are real gluttons the others eat modestly and certainly dont over eat. now there is my mate whose chooks are ravenous and when he bangs the tin they will almost knock him over to get the meager supply. They are skinny and underfed. I like the all you can eat system. cheers Wallace

Subject: Re:how much feed for chooks
From: Jane S
To: All
Date Posted: 15:28:30 08/19/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 202.3.37.26

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The thing I don't like about the all you can eat is, SPARROWS. They eat you out of house and home. At a guess, the sparrows eat probably 3/4 of the grain that gets put out for the girls (my husband constantly puts too much out). That's very expensive sparrow food. If you don't want the all you can eat bar, free range birds need a small handful of grain/pellets each. The best way to gauge is, get them all together after they've had a big day out and throw them a handful. When they've finished, give them another handful. Keep giving them a bit more until they walk away. Do that for a few days and you should get a rough idea of how much to give them. You don't want them too fat, because overweight birds don't lay, they just get fatter (just ask my birds!). Jane :rolleyes:

Subject: Re:how much feed for my chooks
From: wallace
To: All
Date Posted: 13:21:41 08/19/09
Email Address: 42 wall @ g mail .com
Entered From: 211.30.255.228

Message:
Micko I'm talking about bantam here . That meat chook is something I had not even seen until recently ( sitting down and breathing heavily and were very young) let us know what you end up planning cheers Wallace.

Subject: Re:how much feed for my chooks
From: mick
To: All
Date Posted: 22:12:42 08/19/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 121.91.62.1

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thanks Wallace. The current plan is just to feed her normally, the same as the isas and keep an eye on her. shes healthy enough at the moment. but yeh probably cant really have an all-you-can-eat deal here because apparently theyll eat themselves to a very early grave.

Subject: Hi guys
From: essie
To: All
Date Posted: 19:36:25 08/18/09
Email Address:
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Hi guys Finally out on our land, not too big 3.5 a. The pens were already here and built quite well so only needed a few modifications. The retired couple we brought it from were showing sussex too, and left behind some good stock (some rubbish birds too). Left here was a white sussex sport, a great size and type, we have him over his 3 sisters (also left here) and hoping to throw another one, anyone know the chances on that? We have brought in 2 pigletts "Mr & Mrs Porkinmore" and people interested in piggets from them already! Anyone know a good site for being self sufficient on small acherage? Anyway back to the chooks. We have some great sussex and australorps but with the move upsetting everyone (been here a month)they all stopped laying and are just comming back on now. We will miss the next shows with cockerals and pullets as they will be too young. Once we get sorted here will have lots of fertile eggs to sell. All is going well cheers essie

Subject: Re:Hi guys
From: Maree
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Date Posted: 09:12:08 09/01/09
Email Address:
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Hi Essie, I call in here very infrequently these days after being a regular many years ago, however I refer other people here and decided I'd better come and have a look! Life has been very busy, however I have more backyard chooks than ever so at least I have my priorities right, eh? A good site for asking questions and getting a good range of replies and experiences is ALS - www..aussieslivingsimply.com.au. Many a person has been helped many a time and there are people with vast pig knowledge/experience too... All the best, your new place sounds great. Maree

Subject: PS re name
From: Maree
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Date Posted: 09:25:32 09/01/09
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Maybe I should put Maree_A as I came back a year or two or three ago and saw another Maree posting - not me!

Subject: Re:Hi guys
From: Jayjay
To: All
Date Posted: 11:32:49 08/19/09
Email Address: allamera64@hotmail.com
Entered From: 121.45.71.204

Message:
hey I know its not an aussie site, but it can be very useful :) homesteadingtoday.com my favorite reference is "the Australian & New Zealand complete self sufficiency handbook" by Sally Gordon. Great little book, you can prob pick one up off ebay for fairly cheap (my mother always had a copy, i bought my own a few weeks back for around $25 off ebay) Ive also always been a fan of the BBC river cottage series'...Escape to river cottage, return to river cottage and river cottage forever. There are of course also a large number of books from 'back in the day' which have been reprinted (or if your lucky, the original) and while not all the information in there will be relevant to today's self sufficiency, there are so many priceless tips. aaaaanyway...I'll quit my ranting :) Good luck, i'm very jealous :P Jessica

Subject: Re:Hi jay jay
From: essie
To: All
Date Posted: 18:03:45 08/21/09
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Hi Jessica Thanks for that. I should have done this years ago. I am taking to it like a duck to water. cheers essie

Subject: Re:Hi guys
From: Tanya
To: All
Date Posted: 21:50:17 08/19/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 58.163.128.197

Message:
Essie River Cottage also has a web "community" which is worth a look h t t p://forum.rivercottage.net The pig section of the forum is full of good advice. What sort of pigs are yours? I think that John Seymour's "Self Sufficiency" book is a good one too. He is Irish and writes for the Northern Hemisphere but most of it translates well to here. I also learned a bit from reading James Herriot's "All Creatures Great and Small" books. Not that they set out to be a 'how to' guide for smallholding, just that they are written about life in a community of smallholding farmers in the days when that was how life was. Another good reference for me has been Laura Ingalls Wilder's "Little House' books - again there are a few hints to be picked up along the way from people living their lives just doing the stuff that they needed to do back then to survive. Of course it is unlikely that a bear will come during the night to try and steal your pig, or that you will have to build a log cabin and defend it from Indians or wolves but there is still stuff to be learned... we found ourselves having to butcher a pig once and, of the reference books we had available, "Little House in the Big Woods" turned ou to be more helpful than "Australian Home Butchery"! John Seymour advised against taking the task on without a suitable quantity of cider on hand - at that point we hadn't made any cider but with hindsight (and several barrels of cider in the shed now) I can see his point. Good luck with it. Sorry, I can't offer any advice about the Sussexes but will be interested to hear about your results. Tanya

Subject: Re:Hi Tanya
From: essie
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Date Posted: 18:08:16 08/21/09
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Hi Tanya Thanks for that info. The pigs are saddle back land racer cross, and the little buggers bite! cheers essie

Subject: Re:Hi Tanya
From: Tanya
To: All
Date Posted: 22:33:02 08/22/09
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Entered From: 149.135.104.229

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Ouch Essie Pig bites are sharp! I've had the odd nip from mine if I've been a bit slow getting the feed into the trough for them and it isn't fun. Must be the Landrace coming though. The saddlebacks I've raised and any others I've met have been the most placid pigs I've ever met. I remember my (then) three year-old son coming into the house one day stinking to high heaven, we asked what he'd been doing and he confessed that he had been riding the pigs and had fallen off down the mucky end of their pen. I don't know any other breed of pig that would be placid enough to let kids ride them. Currently I've got Large White cross Landrace boys (booked in to go to the slaughterhouse tomorrow) and they are pretty easygoing too but still not as placid as the saddlebacks. I'm going to miss them. Enjoy your pigs, just don't let the hens take their chicks into the pig pen (yup, I've been caught out that way too!) :) Tanya

Subject: Re:Hi guys
From: Wayne L.
To: All
Date Posted: 21:13:46 08/18/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 124.254.68.25

Message:
Hi Essie you'll be right once you settle in all the best. Wayne L.

Subject: Re:Hi guys
From: Rhayden
To: All
Date Posted: 07:32:22 08/19/09
Email Address:
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Love the name PORKINMORE Rhayden

Subject: mareema dog
From: kerrie
To: All
Date Posted: 19:34:01 08/18/09
Email Address: minors@bluemaxx.com.au
Entered From: 119.77.76.41

Message:
hi i need some advice i have a young mareema about 13 weeks she was raised in a chook house and now she lives in mine she has been good up till now and has started playing rough with the chooks will she grow out of this stage should i muzzle her for a while as i dont want her to get the taste for fresh chicken any advice appreciated

Subject: Re:mareema dog
From: ena
To: All
Date Posted: 22:23:15 10/19/09
Email Address: eatzantz@hotmail.com
Entered From: 203.87.18.162

Message:
I have never done anything with mareemas but I'd crate it until it got past the play point. Maybe someone else can put more. Have it with the chooks still. Or put a fence between them.

Subject: Lovely White Orpington Cockerel
From: Yvonne
To: All
Date Posted: 12:30:18 08/17/09
Email Address: poultryonthegwydir@hotmail.com
Entered From: 121.217.145.98

Message:
1 Beautiful big young white orpington cockerel. Ready to work.$115.00

Subject: Broiler health
From: micko
To: All
Date Posted: 21:49:24 08/13/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 119.12.77.29

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This is my first go at chooks and Ive got 3 which Ive had since they were about 6wks old - 2 Isa Browns which I bought, and one white chook which I inherited from a high school. My farmer friend reckons that the white one is probably a meat chicken because she's heaps heavier and more muscular looking than the 2 Isa Browns of similar age (about 18 -20 weeks now), is clumsy and waddles when she runs, and has stumpy wings and cant even fly onto or off of my lap anymore (she used to do this all the time when she was smaller). Ive heard that meat chooks suffer all sorts of serious health problems and die an awful death at about 6mths old due to their genetically determined rapid growth. Is there anything I can do to avoid the health probs facing my favourite first chook? I currently feed them about 5 big hand fulls of pellets in the morning and sometimes 1 or 2 in the arvo (probably too much) but was planning to cut back so she doesnt grow so quick. They roam in the backyard all day and eat grass and other weeds all day and presumably bugs as well. Thanks, Mick

Subject: Re:Broiler health
From: micko
To: All
Date Posted: 11:16:44 08/19/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 121.91.62.1

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thanks a lot for the advice. good to have somewhere to ask this stuff.

Subject: Re:Broiler health
From: essie
To: All
Date Posted: 18:59:59 08/18/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 124.177.110.160

Message:
Hi Micko My sister had a meat bird that lived to a very ripe age. What you say is true, their bone structure can no longer support the weight of their body. Putting her on a "diet" would be a little cruel, she has been bread to be a eating machiene. Enjoy the bird while you have it and if she dies early remember her fate could have been a lot worse at a factory farm. If she can no longer support her own wieght you will have to do the right thing by her and put her down. cheers essie

Subject: Re:Broiler health
From: chooksrus
To: All
Date Posted: 10:09:57 08/16/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 60.228.2.61

Message:
sounds to me they have a charmed life you are doing well by them. Apple cider vinegar a cup in their 20 litres water will keep their inner health good.....Buy it at the produce store Julie

Subject: Re:Broiler health
From: Tanya
To: All
Date Posted: 23:14:08 08/15/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 58.163.128.135

Message:
Mick From what I've read about meat breeds the secret to a long and happy life for them is to limit their food intake so they don't gain too much weight. This won't hurt the ISAs too much either - fat chooks don't lay as well as slimmer ones. The free ranging is great and will help to keep them fit. Good luck and welcome to chook keeping. Tanya

Subject: A Mate in Perth is looking for ROSECOMBS
From: Rod G
To: All
Date Posted: 17:28:28 08/12/09
Email Address: 42 wall @ g mail .com
Entered From: 211.30.255.228

Message:
There must be Rosecomb keepers in Perth . A mate MARK H. is looking for some. I am reluctant to send live chooks from Sydney to Perth when there must be some there already.

Subject: Re:A Mate in Perth is looking for ROSECOMBS
From: George
To: All
Date Posted: 15:49:43 08/16/09
Email Address: lonemonaro@yahoo.com
Entered From: 58.164.237.120

Message:
Hi Rod, Ask your mate to check out the following site; chooknet.com.au/ There is the North Midlands Annual Show & Ute Parade Poultry Show Saturday 12th September Niven Park in Carnamah, or check out the Perth Royal Show Poultry Display in Sept/ Oct for potential breeder's and suppliers. Kind regards George

Subject: in Perth is looking for ROSECOMBS
From: Rod G
To: All
Date Posted: 07:16:48 08/17/09
Email Address: 42 wall @ g mail .com
Entered From: 211.30.255.228

Message:
Thanks George Mark in Perth is now monitoring this board for an answer and I know he will check it out Cheers Rod G

Subject: Back and looking for contacts!
From: Jayjay
To: All
Date Posted: 14:02:16 08/12/09
Email Address: allamera64@hotmail.com
Entered From: 121.45.207.43

Message:
hey guys Its been a long time since I have been here, I see there are a lot of new faces! Well, I am currently living in Adelaide and finally looking at moving back to the country for good. So...I'm trying to get up a number of contacts again, as I have managed to loose most of the ones i had over the last few years. Here is my list: Cows - Dexter Goats - Toggenburg Pigs - Large black Chickens - Bantam langshang - Orpington (Buff / white) - Hamburgs (any!) Geese - Pilgrim If you have one of these breeds or know someone who I can contact let me know! I'm so excited to be getting back to the country and stockpiling animals again lol Also looking for a recommendation on a decent breed of sheep. Something meaty friendly and not likely to get out. (I still have nightmares about my wiltshires...wonderful lovely sheep...and i swear they spent more time out of the paddock than in!) Oh...and the part of the country I'm moving to is young / yass area in NSW. :D Thanks all! JJ

Subject: Re:Back and looking for contacts!
From: Heidi
To: All
Date Posted: 14:29:51 08/14/09
Email Address: heijo@bigpond.com
Entered From: 124.184.181.217

Message:
I too am in the highlands. May be able to help with Bantam LAngshans (my sons Birds), I have Orps but only in black. Heidi

Subject: Re:Back and looking for contacts!
From: chooksrus
To: All
Date Posted: 09:03:57 08/13/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 60.228.2.61

Message:
I do Silver Spangled Hamburgs in Southern Highlands NSW near Yass and in this area there are dexter cows breed on several properties. Julie

Subject: Re:Back and looking for contacts!
From: Jayjay
To: All
Date Posted: 11:56:24 08/13/09
Email Address: allamera64@hotmail.com
Entered From: 121.45.153.73

Message:
Awesome! I have had someone contact me about SSH and have organized purchasing a couple when I arrive in NSW, but ill most likely be looking for a couple more to get my breeding off on the right foot! I tracked down a couple of likely suspects to contact for dexters, hopefuly that will result in aquiring some calves in a few months. This year has gone so fast and sadly here in the city I'm going to miss the main breeding season without having even noticed :( Jessica

Subject: Re:Back and looking for contacts!
From: chooksrus
To: All
Date Posted: 10:07:06 08/16/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 60.228.2.61

Message:
Im sort of set up with contacts who can find most beasts and birds even really tricky ones. The schools here breed the dexters and sell off after show time too. Keep in contact and ill give you some numbers when you come....

Subject: Pekin colours
From: Joel
To: All
Date Posted: 13:02:19 08/08/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 61.69.188.78

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I am wanting to make a darker buff colour in the pekins, i am using a black pekin rooster with the buff hens, could this work? or what else could this combination make?

Subject: What entertains chickens?
From: Joel
To: All
Date Posted: 13:00:48 08/08/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 61.69.188.78

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I was wondering how i could put some more fun into my chickens lives? what do they love to do?

Subject: Re:What entertains chickens?
From: chooksrus
To: All
Date Posted: 09:05:53 08/13/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 60.228.2.61

Message:
Originally as a negative behaviour distraction it is now a great enjoyable pastime of my chookies -put a lettuce on a rope just out of reach and watch them enjoy the jumping. Julie

Subject: More scaly leg mite issues ...
From: Stephanie.
To: All
Date Posted: 16:20:08 08/06/09
Email Address: fordxcore@hotmail.com
Entered From: 122.107.151.3

Message:
Hi guys! Sorry to post about scaly leg mites when there's already a post on the topic, but I had a few ponderings on the subject. I discovered my chookie (only have one left these days :() has what I believe is scaly leg mites. I looked up a remedy on the net, which was one part metho, one part olive oil, half part kero, half part aromatic oil (I used eucalyptus). I was curious about the effect that might have on her, and the other remedies I read about in the previous post - vasolene and the like. Particularly the recipe I used today with the kero and such. Any insight would be fantastic, as I'm really worried about her - she just sits in the grass and talks to me and doesn't like to walk around, and has a slight limp. Thanks! Steph.

Subject: Re:More scaly leg mite issues ...
From: Stephanie
To: All
Date Posted: 22:32:40 08/13/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 122.107.151.3

Message:
Hey guys, sorry I've not replied in so long. On Saturday night my baby was killed by a fox. I guess that means no more mite issues hey! But honestly, I'm devastated to lose her, being my last and having raised her from a chick. I'm 19, so she really was like a child for me. It's been hard for me to deal with (and many people think I'm lame for being emotional about it, but hey they just don't understand how awesome chickens are) so hence the delay in posting this. Thank you all for your help, and as soon as I get some new chookies (well ... as soon as my mum lets me!) I'll post up pictures quick-smart.

Subject: Re:More scaly leg mite issues ...
From: Tanya
To: All
Date Posted: 21:59:15 08/06/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 58.163.128.198

Message:
Steph What do her legs look like? I've never heard of scaly leg mite causing a bird to limp and it would have to be really bad to put them off walking. I'm talking about a really serious buildup of mites here, probably a couple of years worth of untreated mites. Usually it is just some crusty white stuff on the legs that make the leg scales stick out and look rough. Has she any other symptoms? Is she off her food? Is her abdomen swollen? I hope she's feeling better soon Tanya

Subject: Re:More scaly leg mite issues ...
From: Rhayden
To: All
Date Posted: 04:51:15 08/07/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 205.188.116.66

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M... doesn it look like this Steph? Hey I put some pictures on General Chatter for ya take a look see and tell us if this is what your hen has. this is scaley leg. and if it is this bad. I had one that had this and it took a few months for me to get her legs right. It was so bad the cracks of where her feet bent would bleed no one knew what it was and I took matters into my own hands I didn't explain it to well on here then one day I heard the name Scaley leg and looked it up and sure enough that is what she had. Take and look please and maybe it will not be so bad. Huh? Rhayden

Subject: Re:More scaly leg mite issues ...
From: Stephanie
To: All
Date Posted: 15:34:28 08/07/09
Email Address: fordxcore@hotmail.com
Entered From: 122.107.151.3

Message:
Thanks for your replies! Yes it does look somewhat like that Rhayden, not quite as bad though. I'll try and take some photos after I post this - I'm about to go and wash her feet again. And Tanya, I'll give her abdomen a feel when I'm washing her feet - she seems to be fine other than not wanting to walk around. Eating well and everything. Perhaps she injured her leg coincidentally? Not sure, but I'll give her a good look-over. Alrighty, I'm off to wash her feet. I'll be back with pictures! Stephanie.

Subject: Re:More scaly leg mite issues ...
From: Jane S
To: All
Date Posted: 17:50:17 08/10/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 202.3.37.47

Message:
I found the oil/kero mix to be quite fiddly and if the skin has broken it can be quite painful. I had it so bad in one of my roosters you could barely make out his toes. At that stage, I didn't know what it was. I found out and treated it and nothing touched it. On the back of the legs were large sticky outy bits, hard crunchy bits. Turns out they were the nests, that are protected, so any treatment wasn't killing them off and they'd just keep hatching. A chook friend came over one day and saw them and immediately snapped the sticky outy bits off and threw them in the bin. The rooster wasn't happy about it because it did rip the skin off and it made him bleed. I then put Vaseline all over his legs and over the next 6-8 months they were improving significantly. They never fully healed because he got killed by a magpie. I did have photos of his legs to show people, but the site they were on doesn't exist anymore and the photos are on my old computer which doesn't boot up, so I can't show you at this stage (unless Greggles put my photos on his site next to his illustrations?). When I said sticky outy bits, I wasn't referring to the raised scales, these were large horny growths and ran right the way up the back of the legs. They looked chalky. Don't rip the scales off, but rip the large chunks off if they're there. Re the limping, check she hasn't broken one of her toes. I had a hen that had such bad scaly legs she never grew scales back (meant she never got mites again!). One day she started limping and I just thought it was from the scaly legs because she wasn't fully healed at that stage. This went on for about 3 months until one Sunday morning when she was sitting on my lap for a cuddle. She jumped down and I noticed her foot was bleeding. I picked her up and one of her toes was half hanging off. Took her to the vet to get it amputated properly and 2 weeks later took the dressing off for the last time. Off she went, no limp, no nothing. Then it dawned on me that the months of limping was probably due to a broken toe and when she's jumped off me, the broken bone went through the skin when she landed. I felt really bad. So, whenever someone mentions a limping chook, I always mention broken toes. In hindsight, her toe was a little bit crooked, but not enough that would've alerted me to there being a problem. She was a very active bird and her toes weren't totally straight anyway. When you check her toes, bend them in all directions (without force of course) and hope that one doesn't bend upwards! Good luck and let us know how she gets on. Jane :rolleyes:

Subject: Jane S
From: Rhayden
To: All
Date Posted: 23:00:55 08/10/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 64.12.116.66

Message:
On general chatter I posted pictures is this what you mean I know it is not a chicken but I thought it still may help. Rhayden Go to general chatter please

Subject: Re:More scaly leg mite issues ...
From: Rhayden
To: All
Date Posted: 22:27:56 08/07/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 64.12.116.66

Message:
Post pictures on the general chatter over here you can't we have had spammers and it don't work well not for me someone here has postede pictures but I don't know how it was done. if you can do it here THAT WOULD BE SO GREAT. Rhayden

Subject: Show
From: Wayne L
To: All
Date Posted: 20:44:49 08/01/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 124.254.68.237

Message:
Well we got cleaned up today at Murwillumbah we finished with 6 firsts,2 seconds and 1 Champion. Wayne L.

Subject: Re:Show
From: essie
To: All
Date Posted: 19:10:14 08/18/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 124.177.110.160

Message:
Hi Wayne Are you still winning?? congratulations!!. Wish I was into hard feathers, I would come after your arse cheers essie

Subject: Re:Show
From: Rod G
To: All
Date Posted: 12:06:02 08/02/09
Email Address: 42 wall @ g mail .com
Entered From: 211.30.34.36

Message:
Wayne it looks like You did the cleaning up congratulations again I got my mug shot in AP mag near the back of the mag cheers Rod G

Subject: Scaly Leg
From: Bindiprickle
To: All
Date Posted: 13:10:05 07/30/09
Email Address: nkerr@harboursat.com.au
Entered From: 59.154.2.58

Message:
Thanks for the website and chat room Greggles and volunteers! I use it whenever I have a problem, altho this is my first post in a long while. My rooster has scaly leg, and I have read in the archives, that vapour rub works. Can this hurt the chook if there is an open wound i.e. broken/bleeding skin? I scrubbed his legs gently in soapy water first and a few scales lifted off, and cracks appeared. Last year, I used pawpaw ointment, on a chicken that was given to me. It worked well, after applying everyday for a month, with some bad buildup dropping off. Unfortunately, Smokey fell prey to a dog, soon after. Is it possible that the scaley leg mite was dormant for a time? Or, is it more likely that wild birds introduced it this time? We have a lot of magpies hanging around at feeding time. Thanks for your help!

Subject: Re:Scaly Leg
From: Wayne L
To: All
Date Posted: 21:39:26 07/30/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 124.254.69.21

Message:
Hi Bindiprickle if you want to you can use Vaseline as long as you cover all the legs so the mite can't breathe. regards Wayne L.

Subject: Re:Scaly Leg
From: George
To: All
Date Posted: 23:28:23 07/31/09
Email Address: lonemonaro@yahoo.com
Entered From: 58.167.231.6

Message:
Hi The best solution that I have found in my circumstances only, is spraying WD-40 liberally onto and in-between the scales. WD-40 penetrates right in between the scales and thereby is the most effective. You may have to repeat the process over a period of time, to get the final result. Be careful that the chook doesn't inhale the WD40, as it may affect it's health. Kind regards George :homer:

Subject: Scaly Leg
From: Bindiprickle
To: All
Date Posted: 13:07:34 07/30/09
Email Address: nkerr@harboursat.com.au
Entered From: 59.154.2.58

Message:
Thanks for the website and chat room Greggles and volunteers! I use it whenever I have a problem, altho this is my first post in a long while. My rooster has scaly leg, and I have read in the archives, that vapour rub works. Can this hurt the chook if there is an open wound i.e. broken/bleeding skin? I scrubbed his legs gently in soapy water first and a few scales lifted off, and cracks appeared. Last year, I used pawpaw ointment, on a chicken that was given to me. It worked well, after applying everyday for a month, with some bad buildup dropping off. Unfortunately, Smokey fell prey to a dog, soon after. Is it possible that the scaley leg mite was dormant for a time? Or, is it more likely that wild birds introduced it this time? We have a lot of magpies hanging around at feeding time. Thanks for your help!

Subject: Silkie Club of Australia Inc Annual Show
From: Helen
To: All
Date Posted: 21:31:57 07/28/09
Email Address: hmbarnes2@bigpond.com
Entered From: 144.131.69.198

Message:
The Silkie Club of Australia's Annual Show will be held on Saturday 8th August at Hawkesbury Showground, Richmond. Sydney.Come and have a look at some of the best Silkies in Australia.For further information on the show contact secretary Helen at hmbarnes2@bigpond.com

Subject: Show
From: Wayne L.
To: All
Date Posted: 20:56:17 07/27/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 124.254.69.152

Message:
Hi we went to Rosewod Poultry Show Sunday we got 6 firsts,3seconds and 4 Champions. Wayne L.

Subject: Re:Show
From: Rhayden
To: All
Date Posted: 00:45:55 07/28/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 64.12.116.66

Message:
WELL DONE!!!! Rhayden

Subject: Free 3 Extremely rare Silver Laced Barnevelder Roosters
From: Anthony Boyle
To: All
Date Posted: 12:17:12 07/27/09
Email Address: aboy3773@bigpond.net.au
Entered From: 60.229.71.210

Message:
Help !!! 3 of our silver Laced Barnevelder hens have grown into roosters and we can't keep them ( we live in the suburbs) . They are beautiful, extremely rare, healthy, and just starting to crow. If you have a home for them or knows someone who can help. Please let me know ASAP. I have to move them this week because of the neighbours Many thanks Anthony 02 9979 7590

Subject: Re:Free 3 Extremely rare Silver Laced Barnevelder Roosters
From: Anthony Boyle
To: All
Date Posted: 10:25:46 07/29/09
Email Address: aboy3773@bigpond.net.au
Entered From: 60.229.71.210

Message:
Good News!! I found a home for the silver Laced Barnevelders Roosters and someone willing to carry on the breed . Thanks for your help and support Julie I really appreciate it! it looks like it will all end happily ! A.

Subject: Re:Free 3 Extremely rare Silver Laced Barnevelder Roosters
From: chooksrus
To: All
Date Posted: 09:13:30 07/28/09
Email Address:
Entered From: 121.216.235.252

Message:
Dear Anthony, If you get stuck you can always bring them here. M can then pick up when sutis him sometimes he gets indisposed Julie xxx

Subject: chicks
From: Wayne L.
To: All
Date Posted: 20:55:55 07/19/09
Email Address: qlder@tadaust.org.au
Entered From: 124.254.68.19

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Well we have only got 7 chicks out of 21 eggs with the incubator so far so lets hope the aussie hen we set today has better luck. Wayne L.

Subject: Re:chicks
From: Rhayden
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Date Posted: 03:53:31 07/22/09
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what colour will they be? Rhayden

Subject: Re:chicks
From: wayne l
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Date Posted: 21:25:27 07/22/09
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Hi Rhayden there will be Black/Reds and Blue/Reds. regards Wayne L.

Subject: Re:chicks
From: Rhayden
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Date Posted: 22:02:56 07/22/09
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Of the chicks you hatch do you show any of them?? once they are big of course. Rhayden

Subject: Re:chicks
From: Wayne L.
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Date Posted: 22:06:30 07/22/09
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Yes I keep and show the best ones and sell the others. Wayne L.

Subject: Re:chicks
From: chooksrus
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Date Posted: 15:48:22 07/24/09
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I think you are lucky to have eggs to put in the bator I have none!!! Ill be starting at the tail end of August if possible have some nice sets in all breeds. Welsh Harlequin duckies. Sebastapol Toulouse Minorca Ancona Silver Spangled Hamburgs too!!!

Subject: Re:chicks
From: Rhayden
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Date Posted: 23:00:59 07/23/09
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how old do you chickens get? I mean how long do they live wait wait I am not putting this right let me try again how old is the oldest one, and what is it? I mean colour and rooster ot hen? Rhayden

Subject: Re:chicks
From: Wayne L.
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Date Posted: 22:06:52 07/24/09
Email Address:
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Message:
Hi Rhayden we had a Plymouth Rock x Pit Game hen she died this year she was 11years old. The oldest one living is a Blue/Red cock Australian Game he is 8 years old. cheers Wayne L.

Subject: Re:chicks
From: Rhayden
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Date Posted: 22:17:02 07/24/09
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11 years old? did she lay eggs yet? Rhayden

Subject: Re:chicks
From: Wayne L.
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Date Posted: 21:42:58 07/25/09
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Yes up till the day she died. Wayne L.