[20:58] {Vardas3} Hey santa
[20:58] {Santa} back from the kooking in da kitchen
[20:58] {Vardas3} oic
[20:58] {Vardas3} Well I'm new here in this room
[20:59] {Santa} welcome
[20:59] {Vardas3} but like UFOs and alternative science stuff
[20:59] {Vardas3} Thanks
[20:59] {Santa} that's normally the topic here.
[20:59] {Vardas3} UFOs? or alternative science? or both?
[20:59] {Santa} all five
[21:00] {Vardas3} lol
[21:00] {Santa} most folks here are asleep.
[21:00] {Vardas3} Well what are your interests?
[21:00] {Vardas3} Yes I figured
[21:00] {Vardas3} Not good for me
[21:00] {Vardas3} I'm a nightowl
[21:01] {Santa} interests? ...
[21:01] {Santa} http://www.anzwers.org/free/updates/welcome.html
[21:01] {Santa} that's our website.
[21:01] {Santa} (well, one of them)
[21:01] {Vardas3} I'll check it out later]
[21:01] {Santa} there's some good stuff in the forum.
[21:01] {Santa} "free UFO videos"
[21:01] {Santa} etc.
[21:02] {Vardas3} Cool
[21:02] {Santa} you have a website about your interests ?
[21:02] {Santa} (homepage)
[21:02] {Vardas3} Ancient history and technology, pyramids, UFos alternative science, etc
[21:04] {Santa} brb, guests.
[21:04] {Vardas3} ok
[21:04] {Vardas3} Guests......hmmmm......either it's dinner where you are, or morning?
[21:04] {Santa} 9:00pm
[21:04] {Santa} New Zealand
[21:05] {Vardas3} Wow!
[21:05] {Vardas3} {==== central time zone of USA here
[21:05] {Vardas3} 2:00 am here
[21:06] {Santa} ok
[21:06] {Santa} you sometimes listen to C2C radio ?
[21:06] {Vardas3} Every night
[21:06] {Vardas3} Absolutely
[21:06] {Santa} Cool
[21:06] {Santa} brb 10 min
[21:06] {Vardas3} ok
[21:10] {Vardas3} Personally I think C2C is very lame since Noory took over
[21:15] {Santa} back
[21:15] {Vardas3} wb
[21:15] {Santa} ok
[21:16] {Santa} yeah, well, old Art Bell is still there 2 - 3 times a week.
[21:16] {Santa} And I like Lou Genitl
[21:16] {Santa} But I think his website is still underconstruction.
[21:17] {Vardas3} Yeah I know......
[21:17] {Vardas3} but I just don't like Noory or his interviewing style nor
[21:17] {Vardas3} the guests he gets
[21:17] {Santa} yeah.
[21:17] {Santa} things change, aye.
[21:18] {Vardas3} I know
[21:18] {Santa} sometimes for the better.
[21:18] {Vardas3} Not this time.
[21:18] {Vardas3} lol
[21:18] {Santa} You heard Dr Greer and Art Bell the other week ?
[21:18] {Vardas3} Yes
[21:19] {Santa} I printed out and read the transcript night before last.
[21:19] {Vardas3} Why}
[21:19] {Vardas3} Cool
[21:19] {Santa} (damn secret war going on !!
[21:19] {Vardas3} Go on.....
[21:20] {Santa} Well, Dr Greer said is group "enjoy security these days".
[21:20] {Santa} his
[21:20] {Vardas3} Yes.....
[21:20] {Vardas3} I've had a few strange things happen to me as well.
[21:21] {Santa} and that his group "suffered some serious losses before the security was in place".
[21:21] {Vardas3} yup
[21:22] {Santa} I wonder which agency/s is helping them.
[21:22] {Santa} interesting
[21:22] {Vardas3} Pinkerton I would imagine
[21:23] {Vardas3} if it's a pvt agency
[21:24] {Santa} ok
[21:25] {Vardas3} There are others\
[21:26] {Vardas3} But I would imagine they have had to be rather careful in who they get
[21:26] {Santa} yep
[21:27] {Santa} yeah, they are dealing with some of the most sophisticated people on Earth.
[21:27] {Santa} i.e.
[21:27] {Vardas3} Yes.
[21:27] {Vardas3} That they are.
[21:27] {Santa} the ones that want to keep the most secrets.
[21:28] {Santa} The problem with me is, I sometimes see both sides of the story.
[21:28] {Santa} eg.
[21:28] {Vardas3} Well.....I suspect that "the ones" are really one entity that hides itself within our intelligence compartmentalkization
[21:29] {Santa} yeah
[21:29] {Santa} Don't know if I would give a lot of magic technology to India, Africa, etc, etc.
[21:29] {Vardas3} And I rather suspect that that entity is rather independent of our government
[21:30] {Santa} well, that's what everyone says. yes.
[21:30] {Santa} More power than the White House.
[21:30] {Vardas3} Yes
[21:30] {Vardas3} And I suspect it has been around at least since the turn of the last century
[21:31] {Santa} I just fell lucky to have the internet, and get into some of it
[21:31] {Santa} yes.
[21:31] {Vardas3} Me too!
[21:31] {Santa} 1800 , 1900's
[21:31] {Santa} maybe even before.
[21:32] {Santa} The Holy Inquisition would have had a lot of secrets and wishes.
[21:32] {Vardas3} Possibly
[21:32] {Vardas3} True
[21:33] {Vardas3} But if one were to look for interests in scientific matters that far back,
[21:33] {Vardas3} better to look to Fr. Athanasius Kircher and the Jesuits
[21:33] {Santa} hmm
[21:34] {Vardas3} John Dee and so on.
[21:34] {Santa} even 60 Minutes did a documentary about "Skull and Bones" recently.
[21:34] {Santa} (but I didn't watch it)
[21:34] {Vardas3} Yes.
[21:35] {Santa} too busy studying about outter space stuff, I am.
[21:35] {Santa}
[21:35] {Vardas3} Such as?
[21:35] {Santa} books and videos and websites and disclosure, etc.
[21:36] {Santa} you ever seen a DVD called "OZ Encoumters" ?
[21:36] {Santa} or read a book called "Left At East Gate" ?
[21:36] {Santa} (all UFO and ALien info)
[21:36] {Vardas3} No
[21:36] {Santa} hmmm, o well
[21:37] {Vardas3} Sorry
[21:38] {Santa} no worries.
[21:38] {Santa} want me to tell you about "Left At East Gate"
[21:38] {Vardas3} Sure.
[21:39] {Santa} In part 2, chapter 1, 2, and 3, there is mention of beings and humans working together, with a sort of central advanced being, all in underground bases. (1983)
[21:39] {Santa} The central being in 'Left at East Gate'
[21:39] {Santa} said the Cold War was fake.
[21:40] {Santa} (John Lear, and Dr Carol Rosin said the same thing)
[21:40] {Santa} ....
[21:40] {Vardas3} Yes
[21:40] {Santa} The central being also said religion, or the bible, was created for mankind.
[21:40] {Vardas3} I goota go.......see you again I hope
[21:40] {Santa} ok
[21:40] {Santa} see ya
[21:41] {Santa} we are always here.
[22:02] {Vardas3} Back
[22:02] {Vardas3} Sorry
[22:02] {Vardas3} Had a phone call
[22:05] {Vardas3} Well I am somewhat skeptical of those types of claims.
[22:05] {Alatora} hi
[22:05] {Vardas3} For one thing, I am .....well.....
[22:05] {Vardas3} Hi Alatora
[22:05] {Vardas3} .....one of those who doesn't necessarily think UFOs are entirely alien
[22:06] {Santa} 9,112,11,0W10,11,0E9,11,0L4,11,0C3,11,0O13,11,0M12,11,0E10,19,11,0B8,11,0A4,11,0C3,11,0K13,11,0!
[22:06] {Santa} 12,1 0,1 Vardas3 12,11,0!
[22:06] {Santa} 9,112,11,0W10,11,0E9,11,0L4,11,0C3,11,0O13,11,0M12,11,0E10,19,11,0B8,11,0A4,11,0C3,11,0K13,11,0!0
[22:06] {Santa} 15 CT_greet2-56.mrc
[22:06] {Vardas3} Thanks santa
[22:07] {Santa} Cold War was fake. ,.... Also, could see Larry Warren's entire life from birth. (all details)
[22:08] {Santa} And the same thing happened in the Charles Hickson / Calvin Parker case.
[22:08] {Santa} Calvin Parker said in a video interview ....
[22:08] * Vardas3 has quit IRC (I was a java chat user at http://www.alienx.net)
[22:08] {Santa} the ET leaned over and peered into his mind, and both of them could see Calvins whole life.
[22:08] * Anon6315 has joined #Encounter
[22:08] * Anon6315 has quit IRC (Client exited)
[22:08] * Anon6745 has joined #Encounter
[22:09] {Santa} 0,4 I dunno
[22:09] {Santa} but it is just what I see in these videos and books.
[22:09] {Santa} Sounds unreal.
[22:09] * Anon6745 is now known as Vardas3
[22:09] {Santa} but better than reading comic books for me
[22:10] {Vardas3} Sorry
[22:10] {Vardas3} I was booted
[22:10] {Santa} Cold War was fake. ,.... Also, could see Larry Warren's entire life from birth. (all details)
[22:10] {Santa} And the same thing happened in the Charles Hickson / Calvin Parker case.
[22:10] {Santa} the ET leaned over and peered into his mind, and both of them could see Calvins whole life.
[22:10] {Vardas3} Cold war was faked, I agree.....
[22:10] {Santa} 0,4 I dunno
[22:10] {Santa} but better than reading comic books for me
[22:10] {Vardas3} but I'm not so sure about John Lear's explanation for it.
[22:11] {Santa} yeah, everyone I talk to, has reservations about John Lear.
[22:11] {Vardas3} They're wise to do so.
[22:11] {Vardas3} Once CIA, always CIA
[22:11] {Santa} yep
[22:13] {Santa} (well, maybe)
[22:13] {Vardas3} No maybe about it
[22:13] {Vardas3} When one signs up,
[22:13] {Vardas3} they sign a life long security and non-disclosure agreement
[22:13] {Santa} Maybe some people in the CIA want to tidy things up a bit.
[22:14] {Santa} There's always people at the top.
[22:14] {Santa} (studying a lot)
[22:14] {Vardas3} There are such rumors
[22:15] {Vardas3} Some of which.....most of which, in fact, are not connected to UFOs
[22:15] {Santa} ok
[22:16] {Vardas3} Sorry....I don't mean to run at the mouth.
[22:16] {Santa} no no no , you're fine.
[22:16] {Santa} I get people swearing at me in NewsGroups everyday.
[22:16] {Santa} So you are very friendly compared to them.
[22:17] {Vardas3} Thanks
[22:17] {Santa} You ever read UseNet ?
[22:17] {Santa} (NewsGroups)
[22:17] {Vardas3} A bit
[22:18] {Vardas3} Not much
[22:18] {Santa} hehe, lots of debunkers in there.
[22:18] {Santa} funny.
[22:18] {Vardas3} Yes no doubt
[22:18] {Santa} about UFOs,...
[22:18] {Vardas3} I get debunked but my mail still gets opened.
[22:18] {Santa} what is one of your favorite books ?
[22:18] {Santa} or websites ?
[22:19] {Vardas3} Oh my.......
[22:19] {Vardas3} I like Disclosure of course....
[22:19] {Santa} same here.
[22:19] {Vardas3} Nick Redfern's books.
[22:20] {Santa} I borrowed one or two of Nick Redfern's books from the library.
[22:20] {Vardas3} of course I rave about Nick Cook's book.
[22:20] {Santa} (you know you are living in a good country when the public library has over 100 UFO books
[22:20] {Vardas3} lol
[22:21] {Santa} hehe
[22:21] {Vardas3} True
[22:21] {Santa} Well, sometimes I feel guilty or worried about studying so much.
[22:21] {Vardas3} Why?
[22:21] {Santa} But then, I say "ah, it is all in the Library !!"
[22:21] {Santa}
[22:22] {Santa} WHy ? ...
[22:22] {Santa} well,
[22:22] {Santa} As Dr Greer said, .. people die of cancer or have hteir pets killed if they study too much.
[22:23] {Santa} But I don't worry really.
[22:23] {Vardas3} Not so much how much they study, but what they might say.
[22:23] {Santa} yes, and in public.
[22:23] {Vardas3} Or to whom they say it.
[22:23] {Santa} yes.
[22:24] {Santa} understood.
[22:24] {Vardas3} And some manage to p*ss off both the "govt" people AND the
[22:24] {Vardas3} wild and crazy conspiracy crowd
[22:24] {Santa} hehe
[22:25] {Vardas3} And I suspect once one publishes,
[22:25] {Vardas3} things tend to change.
[22:26] {Vardas3} If one isn't a total crackpot.
[22:26] {Santa} like Joe Firmage with a full page Ad in USA today
[22:26] {Vardas3} lol
[22:26] {Vardas3} Yeah....like him.
[22:27] {Santa} hey
[22:27] {Santa} ummm
[22:27] {Vardas3} Hey}
[22:27] {Vardas3} ?
[22:27] {Santa} yeah, I've over reacted in the past.
[22:27] {Santa} i.e.
[22:27] {Vardas3} Ahhhhh.....I see.....you're published then?
[22:27] {Santa} After the disclosure project came out on May 9th...
[22:28] {Santa} I posted a website calling the secret keepers, "Liars and haters of goodness and truth".
[22:28] {Vardas3} lol
[22:28] {Santa}
[22:28] {Santa} I was wild !!
[22:29] {Vardas3} lol
[22:29] {Santa} ready to fight a war!
[22:29] {Santa} haha
[22:29] {Vardas3} Be careful
[22:29] {Santa} ah, I'm careful.
[22:29] {Vardas3} Good
[22:29] {Santa} I keep in touch in NewsGroups.
[22:30] {Vardas3} Got any favorites?
[22:30] {Santa} If one of our sites get's too many hits, and 'they' tell me to close it up with a picture of some lovely secretary... I would.
[22:31] {Santa} I'm not into panicking people at all.
[22:31] {Santa} Just enjoying the internet.
[22:31] {Santa} ....
[22:31] {Santa} favorites? ...
[22:31] {Santa} ummm .... brb
[22:32] {Vardas3} k
[22:33] {Santa} 1. "OZ encounters".
[22:33] {Santa} 2. ...
[22:34] {Santa} 2. http://ufos.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=videos&action=display&num=1073084193
[22:34] {Santa} 3. ...
[22:35] {Santa} http://rense.com/general45/org.htm
[22:35] {Santa} 4 ....
[22:35] {Vardas3} hang on
[22:36] {Vardas3} k
[22:36] {Santa} http://www.galactic-server.com/rune/ufocont3.html
[22:36] {Santa} 5 ...
[22:37] {Santa} can you log this ?
[22:37] {Santa} or copy
[22:37] {Vardas3} Yea..that will give me some to look at
[22:37] {Santa} ok
[22:37] {Santa} I was going to give you 10 or more
[22:38] {Vardas3} That's enough for me now.
[22:38] {Santa} haha
[22:38] {Vardas3} I'm actually trying to find if anyone has read something.
[22:38] {Santa} read what
[22:39] {Vardas3} Oh.....some books......
[22:39] {Vardas3} I'm interested in ancient technology and such
[22:39] {Santa} Well I like Timothy Good's books
[22:39] {Vardas3} and what, if any, connection there might be to UFos
[22:39] {Vardas3} I have them
[22:39] {Santa} ah
[22:40] {Vardas3} I have a rather large library in my home of such things
[22:40] {Santa} 0,4 be careful !!
[22:41] {Santa} 4,5 D A N G E R !!!
[22:41] {Vardas3} lol
[22:41] {Santa}
[22:41] {Vardas3} too late.
[22:41] {Santa} ha
[22:41] {Vardas3} Like I say.....my mail's already been opened.
[22:42] {Santa} one of my Yahoo accounts was hacked .
[22:42] {Vardas3} I believe it.
[22:42] {Santa} 2- 3 years ago
[22:42] {Santa} and they put in my options....
[22:42] {Santa} "shut up"
[22:42] {Santa} and..
[22:42] {Santa} "quit"
[22:43] {Vardas3} Well.....I sent a friend a hard copy of some gallies of a book ms and it arrived there opened and resealed
[22:43] {Santa} i c
[22:44] {Vardas3} lol.....I kid you not.
[22:44] {Vardas3} But I know.....it's easy to say things on the net.
[22:44] {Santa} yeah.
[22:45] {Vardas3} But.....uhm....the reason I didn't answer your question earlier is that I'm sort of published in all this alternative stuff
[22:45] {Santa} ok
[22:47] {Santa} Wendelle Stevens made people angry.
[22:47] {Vardas3} Yes I know
[22:48] {Santa} I studied a lot about him.
[22:48] {Vardas3} Oh?
[22:48] {Santa} You know his website these days ?
[22:48] {Vardas3} No.
[22:48] {Santa} brb .. i get it.
[22:48] {Vardas3} k
[22:52] {Santa} http://www.ufophotoarchives.org
[22:53] {Santa} (it takes too long to load)
[22:53] {Santa} But that is his site.
[22:53] {Vardas3} thanks
[22:53] {Santa} ah, it looks like he has removed some photos.
[22:53] {Santa} So it loads quicker now.
[22:54] {Vardas3} k
[22:55] {Santa} it's a shame they put him in jail for 5 years.
[22:55] {Santa} Such a good man.
[22:55] {Vardas3} Yeah
[22:56] {Santa} But knew too much and was pushing to much, I suppose.
[22:56] {Santa} And he is military.
[22:57] {Vardas3} Yes.
[23:00] {Santa} 0,4 wow
[23:00] {Santa} WENDELLE STEVENS - Will present the case of Andreas Wiesengrun from Germany, who willingly went aboard an ET ship for 3 days of indoctrination. The 6 species aboard took turns showing him the origin of Earth's humanity, and how we were genetically upgraded to where we are now. They showed him where we are going when we finally mature enough to leave the nest (our planet) and join the sea of humanity freely living forever in space.
[23:02] {Vardas3} wow
[23:06] {Santa} 0,4 wow
[23:06] {Santa} you see Linda Moulton Howe on that TV documentary called Human Origins, and the part about ...Linda was walked through several security check points, told to sit in a chair, with video cameras recording her actions, then given some cosmic top secret documents explaining the origins of humankind... saying "humans have been genetically modified by one or more types of intelligent extraterrestrials".
[23:06] {Vardas3} No but I'm familiar with such theories.
[23:06] {Santa} 0,3
[23:06] {Santa} ok
[23:07] {Santa} I love this research !!!
[23:07] {Vardas3} It will be the subject of one of my books eventually.
[23:07] {Vardas3} I do too
[23:07] {Santa} yeeeeeeeeeeeee haaaaaaaarrrrr
[23:07] {Santa} panic panic !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[23:07] {Santa} hehe
[23:07] {Santa}
[23:07] {Vardas3} lol
[23:07] {Vardas3} Possibly.....
[23:07] {Santa} Nar, I hope people get used to it and just love life.
[23:08] {Santa} Stop being b*tches and bastards.
[23:08] {Vardas3} True
[23:08] {Santa} gonna take time.
[23:08] {Santa} there was a cool dude on Art Bell the other night....
[23:08] {Vardas3} I imagine so.
[23:09] {Santa} he said ...
[23:10] {Santa} :if some people have a heart attack about this information and visits from many different ETs over our cities some time maybe next year or other, then that's their problem, let them have a heart attack for being so stupid".
[23:10] {Santa} 0,3 somthing to that effect
[23:11] {Vardas3} Well, interesting. That would not give me a heart attack.
[23:11] {Santa} gave me a smile.
[23:11] {Vardas3} :-)
[23:11] {Vardas3} It would not do that for me either.
[23:11] {Santa} But, I do care about the public. Not many of the 4 milion here in New Zealand know or talk about ETs.
[23:12] {Santa} And I do test the public sometimes.
[23:12] {Vardas3} So you are of the opinion that UFOs are an ET phenomenon?
[23:12] {Vardas3} As do I.
[23:13] {Santa} by asking a little question with aquaintances, or showing a snip-bit to a groups of guests.
[23:13] {Vardas3} Yes I do that as well.
[23:14] {Santa} Wel, I study astronomy, and have calenders of the hubble space photos.... there must be millions of civilizations out there.
[23:14] {Santa} Not all bad, and maybe not all lovely.
[23:14] {Vardas3} True.....philosophically the argument is sound.
[23:14] {Vardas3} Also true.
[23:14] {Santa} Astronomically the argument is sound.
[23:15] {Santa} i mean .... billions of galaxies.
[23:15] {Vardas3} Yes, but I asked about UFOs, not necessarily the philosophical argument.
[23:15] {Santa} ok
[23:15] {Santa} yes.
[23:15] {Santa} UFOs are an ET phenomenon
[23:15] {Vardas3} Ok.....why do you think the ET hypothesis is the best explanation for them.
[23:16] {Santa} because of one quote for example ....
[23:16] {Vardas3} .....k.....
[23:17] {Santa} "for every grain of sand on our entire planet, there are a million suns out there".
[23:17] {Santa} SPACE DVD from BBC
[23:18] {Vardas3} True.....but that seems to me to be a leap of logic from the generalized philosophical argument to "UFOs are best explained as ET in nature and origin."
[23:18] {Santa} and of course other evidence.
[23:18] {Vardas3} Sorry....I'm sounding like a skeptic, and I'm really not.
[23:18] {Vardas3} I believe UFOs ARE real.....
[23:18] {Vardas3} Other evidence such as what?
[23:19] {Santa} OZ encounters, and Disclosure Project, and ....
[23:20] {Santa} WENDELLE STEVENS - UFO RESEARCHER !!
[23:20] {Santa}
[23:20] {Santa} and ....
[23:21] {Vardas3} I've studied most of these things and a few others, and the more I study, I come to the following tenative conclusions:
[23:21] {Vardas3} (1) UFOs are real phenomena and in most cases machines of some sort;
[23:21] {Vardas3} (2) They MAY be extra-terrestrial but do not exhibit performance characteristics sufficient to be inter-stellar (except possibly in one instance);
[23:22] {Vardas3} (3) they may be terrestrial;
[23:23] {Vardas3} (4) a "tendency" exists within UFOlogy to interpret the phenomena as ET and interstellar in nature, for whatever reason.
[23:23] {Vardas3} On those notes, may i ask what you think of the MJ-12 documents?
[23:24] {Santa} OK, i'll tell you about the MJ-12 documents....
[23:24] {Santa} but first...
[23:24] {Santa} have you watched many of these TV shows ...
[23:24] {Santa} http://thebeyondshow.com
[23:25] {Vardas3} No.
[23:25] {Santa} hmmm
[23:25] {Vardas3} But don't write me off as a complete blockhead on that account.
[23:25] {Vardas3} lol
[23:26] {Santa} we get DW TV here.
[23:26] {Vardas3} Ahh.....I'm out in the boonies here so my TV is limited.
[23:26] {Santa} and they did some HEAVY! documentaries about past life hypnosis.
[23:26] {Santa} And NDEs
[23:26] {Vardas3} I research mostly out of my libraries and so on.
[23:26] {Santa} (pretty much endorsing the evidence as fact)
[23:27] {Santa} what I saying is ...
[23:27] {Santa} it seems to fit in with the links and info we have been talking about above. (tonight)
[23:28] {Santa} And John Lear gets into this too.
[23:28] {Vardas3} True.
[23:28] {Vardas3} yes, also true.
[23:28] {Santa} At Fantastic Forums.
[23:28] {Santa} But he is afraid of the after life or the other dimention.
[23:28] {Vardas3} True.
[23:28] {Santa} he said very recently ... "he's not going to go to the bright light".
[23:29] {Vardas3} Yes.
[23:29] {Vardas3} I know.
[23:29] {Santa} (when he dies)
[23:29] {Vardas3} But....leaving aside eschatological discussions, what do you think of MJ-12 documents?
[23:29] {Santa} ok ok ok
[23:29] {Vardas3} lol
[23:30] {Santa} well I've read the Majesticdocuments website off and on a little over the past two years.
[23:30] {Vardas3} .....k.....
[23:31] {Santa} and they mostly seem real compared to other reaserch. ...
[23:31] {Vardas3} Mostly?
[23:31] {Vardas3} You mean you have some doubts?
[23:31] {Santa} I mean, I haven't studied them in great detail.
[23:31] {Santa} and ...
[23:32] {Vardas3} Oh.
[23:32] {Santa} Well, I liked Stanton Friedman's words in some excelent videos ....
[23:33] {Vardas3} I'm familiar with his and the Woods' work on them, yes.
[23:33] {Santa} he said ... " in ww1, ww2, we killed 50 million of our own kind" , ...
[23:33] {Santa} "we destroyed 1100 cities" , ...
[23:33] {Santa} etc, etc, and in those days ... (MJ-12 days) ... they were just trying to figure it all out.
[23:34] {Santa} So they couldn't go and tell the whole world.
[23:34] {Vardas3} I see.
[23:34] {Santa} The world was starving after the war.
[23:34] {Santa} People were poor.
[23:35] {Santa} (big difference between the know's and the know nots)
[23:35] {Vardas3} True on the poor part, and on the first, in many areas, yes.
[23:36] {Santa} I suppose the big question back then also was, ... was WW1 and WW2 natural, as it seemed, or controlled by humans.
[23:37] {Santa} (or something else)
[23:37] {Vardas3} I come increasingly to the opinion that a great deal of WW2 was manipulated
[23:37] {Vardas3} but I do not necessarily think by "ETs"
[23:37] {Santa} and, ... was Nostradamus (spell) real, right, wrong, etc, etc.
[23:37] {Santa} ic
[23:38] {Vardas3} But that the manipulation concerned precisely the types of technologies we would now associate with UFos and ET hypothesis.
[23:38] {Santa} yeah
[23:38] {Santa} i.e.
[23:39] {Vardas3} I am writing a book on all this currently, as a matter of fact.
[23:39] {Santa} craft crashed, and a variety of powers wanted it.
[23:39] {Vardas3} Possibly.
[23:39] {Santa} Maybe.
[23:39] {Vardas3} But I do not at all discount human breakthroughs either.
[23:39] {Santa} oh yeah, true.
[23:40] {Santa} Tesler (spell) is well documented.
[23:40] {Vardas3} And I find it disconcerting that so many in UFOlogy tend to do just taht.
[23:40] {Vardas3} Tesla.
[23:40] {Santa} yes.
[23:40] {Vardas3} Yes.
[23:41] {Vardas3} I am of the opinion that MJ-12 are sort of "genuine fakes"
[23:41] {Santa} could be.
[23:41] {Vardas3} I do not think they can be conclusively used to document or substantiated the Et hypothesis
[23:41] {Santa} true.
[23:41] {Vardas3} and in some causes positively militate against it.
[23:41] {Vardas3} But in others positively FOR it.
[23:42] {Vardas3} But I suspect they are best seen as evidence of an emerging "strategy of response"
[23:42] {Vardas3} Sorry.....I'm prolly boring.
[23:42] {Santa} not boring.
[23:42] {Vardas3} ...k
[23:42] {Santa} I can talk like this for 3 days straight
[23:43] {Vardas3} So could I
[23:43] {Santa} hehe
[23:43] {Santa} this chat room is rather new, and we;ve had some very interesting people here recently.
[23:43] {Santa} (including you)
[23:43] {Vardas3} Oh? How's that?
[23:43] {Vardas3} Thank you.
[23:44] {Santa} Well, I used to go to #UFO in Undernet.
[23:44] {Vardas3} ........k......
[23:44] {Santa} But always had some problems there.
[23:44] {Vardas3} ....k....
[23:44] {Santa} and too much control by possibly debunkers.
[23:44] {Vardas3} Well, please don't take me for one of those.
[23:44] {Santa} MJ is the owner of this server, and he is a geniune fellow.
[23:45] {Vardas3} MJ?
[23:45] {Santa} he's asleep now.
[23:45] {Vardas3} I see.
[23:45] {Santa} he's about 50 years old, and likes to talk all day.
[23:45] {Santa} He hasn't studied as much as you.
[23:46] {Santa} (i think)
[23:46] {Vardas3} Ahhh.....same here, though I am a night owl, and tend to talk very little, research a great deal
[23:46] {Vardas3} and hold my cards closely to me chest.
[23:46] {Santa}
[23:46] {Vardas3} *my*
[23:46] {Vardas3} And I tend like Friedman to approach things from a "physics" point of view
[23:47] {Vardas3} though I do not agree with his predominantly "ET" direction.
[23:47] {Vardas3} ET in the sense of "interstellar" ET
[23:47] {Santa} well, what did you think of Specialist Clifford E. Stone ...
[23:47] {Santa} at the Disclosure Project event.
[23:47] {Santa} May 9th.
[23:48] {Vardas3} Didn't follow it though I have his book.
[23:48] {Santa} I read some other amazing reports from him too.
[23:48] {Santa} Have you seen the May 9th video ?
[23:48] {Vardas3} Yes they are.
[23:48] {Vardas3} No
[23:48] {Santa} 2.5 hours.
[23:48] {Santa} I'll give you a link.
[23:49] {Santa} 70mb
[23:49] {Vardas3} k
[23:49] {Santa} ....
[23:49] {Santa} http://www.voy.com/105322/317.html
[23:50] {Vardas3} k. Thanks
[23:50] {Vardas3} I'll look at it later.
[23:50] {Vardas3} Well, I've been asking you all the questions.
[23:53] {Vardas3} Ask away if you wish.
[23:54] {Santa} oh, ok...
[23:54] {Vardas3} I just don't want to seem like the rude newcomer here without giving others an opportunity to quiz me as well
[23:55] {Santa} was the underground base mentioned in "Left At East Gate" real, and what are they doing now ?
[23:55] {Vardas3} Well, I suspect if that particular one was not real, then there are such bases
[23:55] {Vardas3} in fact, the USA is full of them.
[23:56] {Santa} they said "we can destroy any military base".
[23:56] {Vardas3} The technology dates from WW2
[23:56] {Santa} actually they said ... "we can make any military base vanish".
[23:56] {Vardas3} Well, I believe, yes, that there are four countries in the world with that capability.
[23:57] {Santa} ok ...
[23:57] {Vardas3} And I believe that capability has existed since shortl before WW2 in fact
[23:57] {Vardas3} and that it is utterly terrestrial in origin
[23:57] {Vardas3} and that THAT is the REAL reason the cold war was fake.
[23:57] {Santa} how come the (possible ET) (hidden face and body) ... could see all of Larry Warren's life ?
[23:58] {Vardas3} Hence, Lear's explanations are a smokescreen.
[23:58] {Vardas3} I am not familiar with that story.
[23:58] {Santa} ok
[23:58] {Vardas3} But I'd hazzard a guess that it is a case of easily documenting and researching a thing
[23:58] {Vardas3} Plus the technologies have been developed since the war
[23:58] {Santa} that story was a part of .... underground base mentioned in "Left At East Gate"
[23:59] {Vardas3} and in great secrecy
[23:59] {Santa} seeing ones whole life.
[23:59] {Vardas3} Again, it does not require an "ET" explanation.
[23:59] {Santa} true.
[23:59] {Santa} !!
[23:59] {Vardas3} The "life review" can be induced
[23:59] {Vardas3} and then, so to speak, "downloaded"
[23:59] {Santa} Could be a secretive Egyptian.
[23:59] {Vardas3} to make it appear that "mind reading" is taking place.
[23:59] {Vardas3} Secretive Egyptian?
[23:59] {Santa} from the Pyramids that discouvered things.
[23:59] {Santa}
[00:00] {Vardas3} ah......another subject of interest to me.
[00:00] {Santa} (I'm half joking, and being open minded)
[00:00] {Vardas3} Of GREAT interest to me.
[00:00] {Vardas3} I'm open minded, but am not joking.
[00:00] {Santa} ok
[00:02] {Vardas3} The technologies DO exist.
[00:04] {Vardas3} And as for the capability to destroy any base in the world, we know some technologies capable of that already
[00:04] {Vardas3} and can extrapolate on more fearsome ones.
[00:04] {Santa} yes.
[00:05] {Vardas3} And the more fearsome ones I suspect are what are implied in your East Gate scenario.
[00:06] {Santa} I'll give you another link ....
[00:06] {Santa} 7 mb Audio .....
[00:06] {Vardas3} And I suspect that four countries are in possession of it.
[00:06] {Vardas3} Ok
[00:12] {Santa} http://www.eboards4all.com/866799/messages/40.html
[00:13] {Vardas3} k
[00:13] {Santa} 0,3 two links there ... 1 for a short read , and 2 for an audio download.
[00:13] {Vardas3} I'll look at it.
[00:13] {Santa} it will blow your sox off
[00:13] {Vardas3} Why did you give me that link?
[00:13] {Santa} because
[00:13] {Vardas3} How so?
[00:13] {Santa} in the audio he talks about all kinds of events.
[00:14] {Santa} and
[00:14] {Vardas3} .....k......
[00:14] {Santa} "technologies"
[00:14] {Vardas3} Who is doing the talking?
[00:14] {Santa} "more fearsome ones"
[00:14] {Vardas3} Yes.
[00:14] {Vardas3} I have some acquaintance with those.
[00:15] {Santa} Al Bielek
[00:15] {Vardas3} Ahh.
[00:15] {Vardas3} Well, I had in mind more fearsome ones.
[00:15] {Santa} Better than Sci/Fi on TV anyway
[00:15] {Vardas3} yes.....
[00:16] {Santa} Well, in that audio he says ....
[00:16] {Santa} "we can blow a hole in the moons of Jupiter from Earth"
[00:16] {Santa}
[00:16] {Vardas3} He is correct.
[00:16] {Santa} that's a fearsome technology !!
[00:16] {Vardas3} There are four countries with that capability.
[00:16] {Santa} wow
[00:17] {Vardas3} And possibly more.
[00:17] {Vardas3} With at least the theoretical knowledge of the type of non-linear physics involved.
[00:19] {Vardas3} You're quiet suddenly....
[00:20] {Santa} umm, I just stood up
[00:20] {Vardas3} Oh.
[00:20] {Santa} and had a stretch.
[00:20] {Vardas3} .......k.......
[00:20] {Santa} and sprayed a "white tail" spider.
[00:20] {Vardas3} ic
[00:21] {Santa} that reminds me...
[00:22] {Vardas3} ....of?
[00:22] {Santa} watched a documentary about intelligence a while back.
[00:22] {Santa} Spiders can think.
[00:22] {Vardas3} ......k......
[00:22] {Vardas3} lol
[00:22] {Santa} And of course parrots are darn clever.
[00:23] {Vardas3} Yup
[00:23] {Santa} Anyway, they showed spider thinking about the best or quickest way to get to food.
[00:23] {Vardas3} I see
[00:23] {Santa} on a jungle jim type thing.
[00:23] {Vardas3} Cool
[00:24] {Santa} and octopus
[00:24] {Santa} you show an octopus how to open a jar once,
[00:24] {Santa} and it learns straigh off.
[00:24] {Vardas3} Yes They're known to be quite intelligent.
[00:24] {Vardas3} Some suspect as intelligent as humans and dolphins
[00:25] {Santa} brb, going outside to look at the stars for 5 mins.
[00:25] {Santa} 12:25 am
[00:25] {Vardas3} k
[00:25] {Vardas3} 5:25 am here
[00:33] {Santa} back
[00:33] {Vardas3} wb
[00:33] {Santa} ty
[00:34] {Vardas3} yw
[00:34] {Santa} just heated up some dinner.
[00:34] {Vardas3} I see
[00:34] {Santa} Q: ....
[00:34] {Vardas3} Ok.....
[00:35] {Santa} do you think (at the highest level) .. USA and China are distant and paranoid, .. or friends.
[00:35] {Vardas3} I think China is paranoid of the USA and that both are at the highest level distant. Why do you ask?
[00:36] {Santa} I asked, because of my UFO studies.
[00:36] {Vardas3} Explain
[00:36] {Santa} Wondering what happens if a craft crashed in the middle of China.
[00:36] {Santa} (i.e. who would get to it first)
[00:37] {Vardas3} If that were to happen I imagine that we would.
[00:37] {Santa} yeah.
[00:38] {Santa} You studied about remote viewing ?
[00:38] {Vardas3} Yes.
[00:38] {Santa} it is real, aye.
[00:38] {Vardas3} Some of it, yes.
[00:39] {Santa} I'll tell you something funny...
[00:40] {Vardas3} But again, I don't study it from the standpoint of the popular stuff out there, but from the standpoint of the (few) published papers.
[00:40] {Vardas3} ok
[00:40] {Santa} I used to post to 'The White House' newgroups ...
[00:40] {Santa} and rant on about world events and my tiny ideas.
[00:40] {Vardas3} Cool
[00:40] {Santa} and one of them was, ...
[00:40] {Vardas3} They're used to that.
[00:41] {Santa} "I go to parties with english language schools students, ...
[00:41] {Santa} and Russians and Japanese and Americans and everyone is friendly" ...
[00:42] {Santa} etc, etc... and why can't the USA and Russia be determined to be friends".
[00:43] {Santa} And a week or two later.... the newly elected President G. W. Bush said
[00:43] {Santa} "we are friends".
[00:43] {Santa} (Russia and the USA)
[00:43] {Vardas3} lol
[00:43] {Santa} it was one of those once in a life time private momnets for me.
[00:43] {Vardas3} lol hope he at least consulted the Russians befp
[00:43] {Santa} I didn't tell anyone really.
[00:43] {Vardas3} lol
[00:44] {Santa} hehe
[00:44] {Vardas3} I hope he consulted them before he said that
[00:44] {Santa} yeah.
[00:44] {Santa} Well, you know how it is, civilians similar to me, get sick of the stupid games.
[00:44] {Santa} And wonder why things can't be different.
[00:44] {Vardas3} True.
[00:45] {Santa} But, I'm just too trusting I suppose.
[00:45] {Santa}
[00:45] {Vardas3} In some respects I'm trusting, but on matters of science, technology, politics and so on, i tend to be quite the opposite.
[00:45] {Santa} ok
[00:46] {Santa} you want to see some of my whitehouse rants. ?
[00:46] {Santa} I have 5 of them online.
[00:46] {Santa} (text)
[00:47] {Santa} funny.
[00:47] {Vardas3} Oh....I've ranted myself a few times.
[00:47] {Santa} brb 1 min.
[00:47] {Vardas3} Not on their newsgroup, but I have.
[00:47] {Vardas3} k
[00:50] {Santa} this is enbarasing .... but ...
[00:50] {Santa} http://ebe-ufos.tripod.com/UFOs-Japan-Germany-Allies-Media.html
[00:52] {Vardas3} Why?
[00:53] {Santa} Posted to the White House.
[00:53] {Santa} this too ...
[00:53] {Santa} http://ebe-ufos.tripod.com/UFOs-TV-Media-Honesty-Reality-God.html
[00:53] {Vardas3} lol
[00:54] {Santa} hehe
[00:55] {Vardas3} I shall look at them when I get up later today....I've been on so long my chache might not take it and boot me off, and I'm enjoying our conversaton.
[00:55] {Santa} ok
[00:57] {Santa} =================================================================================
[00:57] {Santa} Good Future:
[00:57] {Santa} In the not so distant future. (I'd say less than 10 years from now) You will buy a Microwave oven, or Television, or Radio... and included with that device will be CYC. "CYC technology" enables you to ask any question you like. And CYC will talk with you, and answer all questions. Programmed with the Encyclopedia Britannica, History, Science, the ability to converse and learn. You will be able to ask your Microwave oven how microwaves were discovered, why does the food get hot, what happens if I cook the food too long.... etc. Or ask it about Nutrition, Vitamins, Health, Diets, Milk, Water, World War 1, Space Telescopes, Religions, Pollution, Electricity, History, over population, and almost anything...
[00:57] {Santa} That is democracy, education, and freedom.
[00:57] {Vardas3} lol
[00:59] {Santa} My Father was very worried about me posting thoughts to The White House.
[01:00] {Santa} He said something like , "all the agencies keep your posts and they will lock you up"
[01:00] {Vardas3} No they will do threat evaluation analysis
[01:00] {Santa} hehe
[01:00] {Vardas3} but if they determine you're not a threat they will not do that.
[01:00] {Santa} ok
[01:01] {Santa} 8,4 threat evaluation analysis !!!!! hurry hurry !!!
[01:01] {Vardas3} lol
[01:11] {Vardas3} Well it was nice to meet you. Perhaps I shall be back on tonight.
[01:11] {Santa} ok
[01:11] {Santa} I'm just reading newsgroups now.
[01:11] {Vardas3} I enjoyed our conversation.
[01:11] {Santa} same here.
[01:12] {Santa} you are "in the know".
[01:12] {Santa} come back again !
[01:12] {Vardas3} What do you mean?
[01:12] {Santa} "in the know"
[01:12] {Vardas3} "in the know"?
[01:12] {Santa} that is some kind of secret terminology. (like "eyes only")
[01:13] {Santa} etc.
[01:13] {Vardas3} lol.....well.....I'm "in the know" to a certain extent I suppose.
[01:13] {Santa} yep
[01:13] {Santa}
[01:13] {Santa} Hvae a good day/ sleep .... !!
[01:13] {Vardas3} How did you conclude I'm "in the know"?
[01:13] {Santa} Pleased to meet you !
[01:14] {Santa} conclude ... by the conversation this evening.
[01:14] {Vardas3} Oh I see.
[01:14] {Vardas3} Lol...it shows, huh?
[01:14] {Santa} yes
[01:14] {Vardas3} lol
[01:14] {Santa}
[01:15] {Vardas3} Well I shall have to be somewhat more circumspect then.
[01:15] {Vardas3} One more question....
[01:15] {Santa} yeah, threat evaluate yourself
[01:15] {Vardas3} .......are most of the others in here also from New Zealand?
[01:15] {Vardas3} lol
[01:15] {Santa} Not NZ.
[01:15] {Santa} mostly USA
[01:16] {Santa} some UK.
[01:16] {Vardas3} I see.
[01:16] {Vardas3} Very good.
[01:16] {Santa} and other countries.
[01:16] {Vardas3} Well, goodnight to you.
[01:16] {Vardas3} See you again.
[01:16] {Santa} goodnight!